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City council study session
St. Louis Park, Minnesota
Oct. 2, 2023
The meeting convened at 5:15 p.m.
Council members present: Mayor Jake Spano, Tim Brausen, Sue Budd (arrived 5:21 p.m.),
Yolanda Farris, Lynette Dumalag, Nadia Mohamed and Margaret Rog
Council members absent: none
Staff present: Deputy city manager (Ms. Walsh), communications and technology director (Ms.
Smith), planning manager (Mr. Walther), redevelopment administrator (Ms. Monson),
community development director (Ms. Barton), economic development manager (Mr. Hunt),
housing supervisor (Ms. Olson), administrative services director (Ms. Brodeen), city clerk (Ms.
Kennedy)
Discussion items
1. Housing and neighborhood-oriented development system introduction
Ms. Barton presented the staff report along with Mr. Walther, Mr. Hunt, Ms. Monson and Ms.
Olson.
Council Member Budd asked if there are a total of 464 units in the 4D program. Ms. Olson
stated this was correct, housing providers must commit to a minimum of 20% of their units and
most properties who applied exceeded the requirement with 40% to 80% of their units
committed as affordable. She confirmed that 464 units have the tax incentive. Ms. Barton
added the tax incentive is only for those kept affordable.
Council Member Rog asked if any applications were approved. Ms. Olson stated that the
timeline for housing providers who applied for state certification in 2023 is to receive the
benefits in 2024.
Council Member Rog asked about the 80% area median income that is counted toward
affordable housing goals and providing incentives for, how does staff feel about not monitoring
and leaving it on the city’s system for property developers and managers? Ms. Olson stated if
they have tax credit, this process takes place through MN Housing. She added in the city’s
inclusionary housing policy, 80% is not required. The options are at 30%, 50% or 60% of area
median income, or AMI.
Council Member Rog asked why 80% AMI is mentioned in the report if it is not a requirement.
Ms. Barton stated usually 80% is not typically included as an option; it was with the Via Sol
project at the time of its negotiation. She reiterated that 80% of area median income is not part
of the inclusionary housing policy, it is tracked for Met Council goal requirements.
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2. Community development year in review
Council Member Brausen asked if staff recommends the city readjust the inclusionary housing
policy to just the 30% AMI. Council Member Mohamed added it is a challenge to get more units
in the city at 30% AMI, adding she is very hopeful for this outcome. Ms. Barton stated staff are
working on getting more 30% AMI units, including larger units constructed to meet the Met
Council goals set for 2030.
Ms. Olson summarized that the goal is not the same as the need – the need for more affordable
housing is still there, and the city is still working to fill that need.
Council Member Rog stated we are not counting the 30% AMI in the voucher program and
asked staff to speak on this. Ms. Barton responded that vouchers are not counted in the total
number of units being constructed because the voucher goes with the household and not with
the unit. She noted that 30% AMI affordable units are difficult to create because of the
extensive subsidies that are needed to construct the units. Vouchers are another way to help
households get into housing that is affordable to them at 30% AMI.
Council Member Rog asked how many vouchers are used in St. Louis Park, noting the end result
is the cost to the renter.
Council Member Dumalag added it is also up to the building owners if they accept the vouchers.
Ms. Olson stated owners are required to accept vouchers and noted the compliance is that
tenants are renting at the correct amounts and that with screening, they are meeting the
income minimums and requirements.
Ms. Barton noted that the League of Minnesota Cities and Metro Cities have added language to
their 2024 legislative priorities supporting legislation prohibiting discrimination of source of
income for rental housing.
Council Member Mohamed asked what the city’s plan is for housing vouchers if the federal
government shuts down. Ms. Olson stated typically funds are drawn down monthly and a plan
was in place for these drawdowns through December in case the government shuts down in
November.
Council Member Mohamed asked if it is more difficult to get housing vouchers within the
suburbs versus larger cities. Mr. Olson stated that has not been an issue for St. Louis Park and
that the city had to add another staff person to manage all of the additional vouchers.
Mayor Spano asked when the Project for Pride in Living project will be breaking ground. Ms.
Monson stated they close on finances the week of Oct. 16, 2023, and then they will start
construction.
Mayor Spano asked how timing is communicated with the school district with openings of new
developments. Ms. Monson stated staff meets with the school district development group once
per year. She added they also receive a quarterly update, as does the council.
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Mr. Hunt added the school district also attends the monthly business development meetings
where information is shared regularly on projects. Council Member Dumalag noted there is a
school board liaison on the planning commission as well.
Council Member Rog asked about the quarterly updates and how often they come through. Ms.
Monson stated they are distributed quarterly and the next one will be Oct. 23, 2023.
Council Member Rog asked what kind of oversite the housing authority provides. Ms. Olson
stated primarily they provide oversite of the federal programs and housing budget. They
approve the housing authority budgets and resolutions and then staff present these to HUD,
and they also provide oversight to make sure the city stays in compliance.
Council Member Budd asked for clarification on the vouchers. Ms. Olson stated some vouchers
are provided to the tenants and can be used at multiple developments and some are project-
based vouchers that stay with the development and that tenants cannot take to other
locations.
The meeting recessed at 6:22 p.m.
The meeting reconvened at 7:51 p.m.
3. Boards and commissions program: purpose and structure
Ms. Brodeen presented the staff report and noted the policy consideration before the council
was if the purpose of the boards and commission program should be to support community-
informed decision-making and develop leaders in St. Louis Park.
Council Member Mohamed noted the program design options and stated this conversation has
been a long time coming. She expressed concerns about this process as council keeps coming
back to it, but noted she is in favor of staff’s recommendations. Council Member Mohamed
stated there is an opportunity to be intentional about this process and pull from different parts
of the community for input. She stated she likes the task force model, and how the smaller
group might be more attractive to drawing new people into these groups. She stated the
proposed number of 25 members might be limiting, and that council will need to be very
intentional about recruiting for membership.
Council Member Farris added it would be awesome for the current commissioners to mentor
the new members and collaborate. Ms. Brodeen replied that the structure and implementation
of a mentorship program has been discussed. She added the city has a strong volunteer
program and is looking at how to build programs that are better connected and fit the needs of
people who want to participate.
Mayor Spano clarified that the statutorily required commissions are still required, the focus of
this conversation is purpose alignment for the five boards within the city that are not statutorily
required.
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Council Member Dumalag stated this is a great way to involve volunteers for a finite period and
to transparently share expectations with board members. She added there have always been
challenges getting youth members onto boards and commissions, and the proposed structure
would be a great way to ask a student for a period of their time. She asked staff to be mindful
of planning the communication structure and gave the example of a board member with a
great idea matriculating through staff and city manager to council.
Council Member Budd stated she has not served on a board or commission, and she did not
know about this structure until she was elected to council. She recalled being excited to do
some interviews for commissioners and was encouraged by the process. She asked if there is a
way to modify what is currently in existence, with respect to parliamentary procedure and open
meeting laws, adding that one of the unique practices of boards and commissions is that they
do report directly to the council.
Ms. Brodeen responded that staff had given a great deal of consideration to retaining and
improving current structure, with communication as to what other cities are doing. Because
boards and commissions are currently bodies that are set by the council and technically may
make recommendations to the council, the open meeting law and parliamentary procedure are
required, even at the subcommittee level. Ms. Kennedy affirmed that the proposed group of 25
advisors would still be subject to open meeting law. However, the proposed task groups would
not be required to follow the same requirements, primarily because of the proposed shift to
have the program report up through the city manager. The thought is to create more
opportunities for people to participate and engage on topics they really care about without as
much formality or commitment. She pointed out that the current structure and framework
were established, in some cases, over 60 years ago. Restriction to participation resulting from
these requirements was a common response in feedback and outreach. Under the proposed
structure, decisions would shift from formal recommendations to timely input, as a function of
engagement.
Council Member Rog said her primary concern is around staff being the funnel and the way
council will get information from the community. She stated she has heard from board and
commissions members that sometimes comments do not make it directly to council. She stated
the proposed structure could worsen problems that are already occurring within the current
structure.
Council Member Rog stated when residents are selected to serve on a board or commission,
they are very excited. She asked how we harness that expertise and direct relationship with
council and will we potentially miss this expertise. She also asked if staff would select the
members of boards and commissions. Ms. Brodeen stated that staff could be involved in
selection and bring recommendations to council for consideration, but no process has been
finalized yet because the purpose of the program needs to be established first.
Ms. Kennedy stated that feedback from this council and past councils is that the selection
process was time-consuming for council members; the proposed system would be a
compromise.
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Council Member Rog stated her greatest concern would be to lose folks on the larger body of
the proposed commission, because the selection process will go through staff to council, which
is a change.
Mayor Spano noted the discussion topic is a big change. He asked about the possibility of three-
year terms, or whether one-year terms could be renewed up to three times to reduce
obligation. He suggested shifting the current boards and commissions from parliamentary
procedure to the input-based structure, so as not to be encumbered by that. He asked for more
information on whether a shift is possible before completely abandoning the current structure.
Mayor Spano asked how equity considerations and diversity will come out of the proposed
model and how the result would be a different product from the repurposing of commissions.
Ms. Brodeen gave an example of different outcomes in participation by addressing the barriers
to physical attendance. She added that in all models, there is an opportunity to be more
deliberate about outreach and helping all to participate. She added with the engagement
coordinator that staff hopes to hire, the city will be able to work more intentionally on building
these relationships with and between constituents and council.
Council Member Mohamed asked if there is enough work for each of the commissions. Ms.
Brodeen replied that currently, there is variance in the flow of meaningful work. She stated this
is also one of the key aspects the proposed model would address.
Council Member Mohamed stated she had worked to recruit a fellow resident to commission
work. The fellow resident is a mother of children who did not apply because the lack of ability
to attend commission work virtually was her deciding factor. Council Member Mohamed
queried whether a smaller advisory board model might provide the ability to offer a stipend or
other forms of appreciation for input and participation. She asked if being intentional with a
smaller group under the proposed structure might allow for thanking residents for their time
and knowledge. She listed providing food, childcare and attendance assistance as potential
ways to overcome barriers to participation.
Mayor Spano agreed and asked whether these appreciation tangibles were available under the
current boards and commission framework. Ms. Kennedy responded that staff is reviewing the
legality of offering stipends or other types of assistance.
Mayor Spano expressed his desire for more clarity on questions related to the concerns he has
at this point. He asked the city council to come to a clear consensus on what they want out of
the boards and commissions program. His main concern is creating a small insular group that
influences council by choosing whose voice reaches the decision makers.
Council Member Brausen stated that he has served on boards and commissions over the years
and thanked members for their service. He stated he supports staff’s recommendations
because there does need to be a shift from a recommendation system to an input system.
Council Member Brausen added that the proposed structure would be more nimble, responsive
and manageable, providing a mechanism for real-time input from the community. He noted
staff can present a range of issues to specific task forces, encouraging cross-topic collaboration
and that the REI impacts will be noticeable.
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Council Member Brausen added that the proposed structure is similar to how the city has
invited experts to serve with work groups within the Environment and Sustainability
Commission. He appreciated staff thinking strategically on how to better utilize the talents of
folks serving on commissions. He added that if the proposed structure does not work it can be
updated again.
Council Member Dumalag stated that the proposed structure will address the barriers to
serving with respect to demographics. She added that the new structure would bring timelines
for feedback into a realistic space, and residents getting to know each other in the context of
smaller task force groups is an added benefit.
Council Member Rog stated that she agreed that change needs to happen. Elements like
childcare and term durations could be implemented in alignment with the city’s strategic
priorities. She added that her concern is that there may be more applicants than open spaces
for serving, and that with the proposed structure, we are reducing the number of engaged
residents further.
Council Member Rog added she would like to attend meetings, whether under the current or
changed structure, to engage directly. Ms. Brodeen stated that the proposed structure
meetings would be open to the public to attend and would have remote/virtual attendance
flexibility as well.
Ms. Kennedy stated she also was concerned about the number of open spaces to serve. She
explained that in the current structure, two or three people fill vacant positions per year on
each board or commission. She added that the goal is to create more opportunities for people
to engage as they want to through the smaller bodies.
Mayor Spano stated that there are currently 53 people serving on five commissions, and
engagement would likely remain at that same level when considering the additional public
participation with topic-focused work groups.
Ms. Brodeen explained that the primary body of 25 people would be able to help create smaller
work groups made up of a few members of the primary body and members of the public. Ms.
Kennedy added that the city would hope to combine with the existing volunteer program
network work to make opportunities more widely available to the larger public.
Mayor Spano added his concern that task force leaders may hand-pick fellow participants that
are like-minded. Ms. Kennedy stated that is why staff would need to be part of the process to
set these groups up and assist in facilitation.
Ms. Brodeen stated staff has scheduled visits with the current members of the city’s boards and
commissions. The plan is to bring more details back to the council before the end of this year.
Ms. Walsh summarized that four council members are in support of staff’s policy
considerations, while three still have more questions. She added staff is very much aware of
and has had similar questions to what the council is bringing up, and noted that council agrees
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that any structure, whether current or proposed, seeks to convene a group of residents with a
variety of backgrounds, experiences and interests.
Ms. Walsh reminded the council that there will be no final decisions tonight, and staff is looking
for direction on whether to proceed work on this topic for future discussion.
Council Member Brausen added that council will seek input from constituents as well.
Ms. Brodeen thanked the council for thinking broadly.
The meeting adjourned at 9:20 p.m.
Written Reports
4. Cultural observances
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Melissa Kennedy, city clerk Jake Spano, mayor
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