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City council study session
St. Louis Park, Minnesota
June 5, 2023
The meeting convened at 7:21 p.m.
Councilmembers present: Mayor Pro Tem Nadia Mohamed, Tim Brausen, Sue Budd, Yolanda
Farris, Lynette Dumalag, and Margaret Rog
Councilmembers absent: Mayor Jake Spano
Staff present: City manager (Ms. Keller), deputy city manager (Ms. Walsh), community
development director (Ms. Barton), economic development manager (Mr. Hunt), public services
superintendent/deputy public works director (Ms. Fisher), finance director, (Ms. Cruver)
Guests: Stacie Kvilvang, senior municipal advisor, Ehlers & Associates
1. Enhanced TIF 101.
Ms. Kvilvang presented the report.
Councilmember Dumalag asked about the districts and noted the Elmwood example which
funded the public infrastructure. She asked when closing housing districts, do they consider not
taking on additional debt. Ms. Kvilvang stated the benefit is they can be used for local projects.
This helps set up where the budget should be and look at TIF to reduce total tax dollars.
Councilmember Budd asked about pooled TIF. Ms. Kvilvang stated in redevelopment, when the
obligation is paid off, the district must be decertified. She added if this is kept open for affordable
housing, 35% can be collected for affordable housing. She stated if the housing obligation is done
in 10 years it can be kept open for 16 years, to collect the TIF, with a 26-year statutory maximum,
and for flexibility for future councils, to be able to do what they want with the funds.
Councilmember Rog asked what triggers an inclusionary housing policy. Ms. Barton stated if
someone requests a PUD rezoning or a Comp Plan Amendment that increases density. Any kind
of public assistance request triggers the affordable housing policy. Councilmember Rog asked
how often this occurs. Ms. Barton stated with redevelopment in St. Louis Park, PUDs are
requested frequently to get things to fit.
Councilmember Rog asked if the city would gain the same affordability benefits in most cases.
Ms. Barton stated adding more affordable units into a pro forma makes the project more
expensive, so the developer comes back to the city asking for financial assistance.
Councilmember Rog stated her concern is developers have come to expect and assume TIF
agreements as part of their financing package and in bigger amounts. Councilmember Rog added
she has always had concerns about the “but-for” clause and someone decided if a development
would be built, and if the city stood down more often or had a different approach to TIF as a
community, we would still see development occurring in St. Louis Park because people want to
live here and there are many reasons to do development here.
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Councilmember Rog noted police and fire and other public services that are here, we do not
require additional taxes to provide these services among others, and the existing community is
left to absorb those costs. She added if more is tied up in TIF, she is concerned about the burden
growing for these residents.
Councilmember Brausen stated council is not being asked to make any policy decisions at this
time. He added districts will decertify and most of the infrastructure with new developments is
put in by the developer. He added he doesn’t see a big cost for public safety, and ultimately
everyone benefits from TIF as a reinvestment in our community and getting what we want with
affordable housing units. He stated that to presume developers will put affordable housing in the
city without TIF is a bit presumptuous. He added staff does an analysis and developers do have a
gap in their finances, so TIF is needed in these cases.
Councilmember Dumalag said non-profit developers can always exit a project, so it is not a one-
for one as non-profit can’t recoup their return as they most likely won’t sell, adding that is not in
their mission. She stated she thinks of TIF as a cost benefit.
Mayor Pro Tem Mohamed stated she agrees both with Councilmembers Brausen’s and Rog’s
points, adding she looks at TIF as a way to be more selective and focus on the 30% AMI, the truly
affordable housing projects. She added expressing where each councilmember falls related to TIF
is acceptable for tonight.
Councilmember Rog added she knows this is not a policy discussion but appreciates the
opportunity to use her voice. She stated Ms. Kvilvang does a great job of promoting TIF, but there
are different perspectives around TIF and whether it is beneficial and what the unintended
consequences are is a voice she wants to be included in these discussions. She stated the city has
one of the highest tax capacities tied up in TIF of any city in the state, and a higher percentage
than Minneapolis and St. Paul. She stated this alone warrants discussing further and thinking
outside the box.
Councilmember Brausen added this is a good discussion to have each year, pointing out
decertifying districts will also need to be reviewed and it makes sense to have as much knowledge
as possible. He added Minneapolis is very behind on their goals for affordable housing where St.
Louis Park has been very successful in this area.
Mayor Pro Tem Mohamed noted Mayor Spano’s email sent about the discussion, and his
appreciation for the information and where the discussion will go.
Councilmember Budd asked about returned increment and asked if there are only 2 districts
returning funds. Ms. Kvilvang stated that was the 2022 report and noted these were planned
returned dollars and potentially there could be more. She added the amount returned is the
returned funds in a calendar year to the county for redistribution, which goes back into the
general fund and is unrestricted.
Councilmember Budd asked if a developer sells property what happens to the TIF. Ms. Kvilvang
stated all agreements have look-back statements in them, which is done at the time of qualified
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costs and once the note is issued, and they are occupied at 95%, the returns are where they
should be, then TIF transfers to someone else, if property is sold.
Mr. Hunt explained the process staff goes through with testing the look-back statements.
2. Discuss yard waste proposals.
Ms. Fisher presented the staff report, noting the city’s current contract will expire on Sept. 30,
2023.
Councilmember Brausen asked who is providing services under the current contract. Ms. Fisher
stated Waste Management currently has a group collecting yard waste.
Councilmember Rog asked about the every-other-week collection option in summer. She asked
why the cost of $38,000 over 5 years is so low. Ms. Fisher stated it is not common for yard waste
to be collected every other week and the prices reflects the contractor’s need to cover their costs
to collect across smaller geographic areas in the city.
Councilmember Rog asked about vehicle miles traveled and noted that 60% of respondents were
either in favor of every-other-week collection or neutral. Ms. Fisher clarified that 24% of
respondents were in favor and 45% were neutral. Councilmember Rog confirmed that only 31%
of respondents wanted weekly pick up, and that is worth noting in terms of resident expectations.
Ms. Fisher added based on previous surveys and experience with every-other-week garbage
collection, residents expect a reduction in rates, but the cost savings would be minimal.
Councilmember Dumalag stated residents call her to say their yard waste has not been picked
up. She stated it’s best to do this every-other-week and she is supportive of both policy questions
and staff recommendations.
Councilmember Budd stated this is a 300% increase. Ms. Fisher stated yes, and the contract rates
are part of the overall cost. Councilmember Budd stated if the city does move to every-other-
week, residents would expect to see a reduction in cost. While that won’t be the case, it also
won’t be a significant increase. She stated for that reason she will support both policy questions.
Councilmember Brausen stated he has environmental concerns about sending these collection
vehicles through neighborhoods every week. He is not pleased that residents claim to need
weekly service when, for the average household, every-other-week collection could be sufficient.
He added he appreciates all the work staff has done but is frustrated by the situation with the
opt-in option costing almost $10 more per resident, per month. He stated that is a $120/year
increase for residents. He stated he is conflicted on option 1A or 1B and noted it feels
contradictory with allowing the additional vehicles to enter neighborhoods.
Councilmember Rog is supportive of the hauler as well. She added staff needs to look at vehicle
miles traveled as a data point so council can evaluate those impacts, especially considering the
city’s climate action plan.
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Councilmember Farris stated she will support both options.
Mayor Pro Tem Mohamed added she also will support both options. She noted the conflict
brought up by both Councilmembers Rog and Brausen related to climate in option #2. She asked
if council is interested in having this discussion.
Ms. Keller stated 5 have said to move forward on negotiating the contract. She added the council
also stated they would like to model the impacts of these decisions on environment.
3. Consider study session topic proposal.
Councilmember Rog asked if council is supportive of the topic proposal as presented.
The councilmembers indicated they are supportive of exploring this topic further.
Councilmember Rog stated she supports and sees value in the Human Rights Commission (HRC)
looking into this first to help inform the discussion, as was also suggested by Mayor Spano.
Ms. Keller stated that is valuable, but she has concerns about timing as staff is looking to engage
with HRC on the neighborhood grant program this summer. She wants to first see if they have
capacity to engage on both projects this summer. She stated if council can be flexible on
timelines, depending on HRC’s capacity, that would be helpful.
Councilmember Brausen asked about the scope of this issue and if it relates to big grocers or
others for inclusion in staff reports.
Ms. Keller stated if council wants to move forward with this, Ms. Guess would further research
the topic and bring back information for council policy direction. The other option is to ask the
HRC if they have capacity to do this work and prepare a recommendation for council
consideration.
Mayor Pro Tem Mohamed stated her concern is to be sure the HRC has capacity to do this first.
She would suggest Ms. Guess take the lead on this and provide a report back to council.
It was the consensus of the council to have Ms. Guess research further and provide a report to
council with possible next steps for consideration.
The meeting adjourned at 9:14 p.m.
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Melissa Kennedy, city clerk Nadia Mohamed, mayor pro tem
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