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OFFICIAL MINUTES
ST. LOUIS PARK TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION
MEETING OF December 7, 2006
ST. LOUIS PARK COUNCIL CHAMBERS
MEMBERS PRESENT: Bruce Browning, Rick Dworsky, Dale Hartman, Ken Huiras, Bob
Jacobson, Kirk Morrow, and Rolf Peterson
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mary Jean Overend
STAFF PRESENT: Reg Dunlap, Civic TV Coordinator; John McHugh, Community
TV Coordinator
OTHERS PRESENT: Arlen Mattern, Comcast Public Affairs Administrator; Kim Roden,
Comcast Vice President of Public Affairs and Programming; Tom
Marble; St. Louis Park School District Technology Department,
Charlie Fiss, St. Louis Park School District Technology Department
1. Call to Order
Chair Dworsky called the meeting to order at 7:03 PM.
2. Roll Call
Present at roll call were Commissioners Browning, Dworsky, Hartman, Huiras, Jacobson,
Morrow and Peterson.
Commissioner Morrow, new youth member of the commission, introduced himself.
3. Approval of Minutes for August 3, 2006
Commissioner Huiras requested page numbers on future minutes and to receive them earlier.
Commissioner Browning suggested they be sent electronically.
It was moved by Commissioner Huiras, seconded by Commissioner Browning, to approve
the minutes of August 3, 2006, without changes.
The motion passed 6-0-1, Commissioner Peterson abstained.
4. Adoption of Agenda
Commissioner Huiras asked if there would be a studio update? Mr. McHugh replied
representatives from the School District could provide information.
It was moved by Commissioner Huiras, seconded by Commissioner Browning, to approve
the agenda.
The motion passed 7-0.
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5. Public Comment - None
6. New Business
A. Comcast Report on the service transition from Time Warner to Comcast
Ms. Kim Roden, Comcast, reported there had been some issues and a number of calls
once the transition started. They fell within three categories: 1) Billing conversion
related (incorrect bills). She believed those issues had been resolved. 2) Email
migration-They had 162 different user ID’s migrate through this process and 99% went
flawlessly. There was a flaw on the web site for the transition of Mac users, which had
been addressed. 3) Setting up secondary Email accounts and problems with the total
number of user ID’s. Those issues had all been addressed.
They were going to be doing a channel line up change as well as a series of other changes
over the next several months. There could be an occasional misstep. They were working
through the issues and she believed making good progress.
Commissioner Huiras asked if the billing dates had changed for residents of St. Louis
Park? Ms. Roden replied she did not know if billing cycles had changed.
Commissioner Huiras stated based on the complaints received, he looked at his bill and
with Comcast the bills were 9/25, 10/12, 11/4 and he was waiting for the December bill.
Ms. Roden indicated she could research the issue. Mr. Dunlap added there were several
examples of residents who indicated they did not receive a bill for two months. An
explanation of that would be helpful.
Commissioner Hartman asked if they would be changing the direct pay dates? Ms.
Roden replied she could look into that.
Commissioner Jacobson stated he had received bills with different dates and the same
amount and he noticed that the payment date was way ahead of when they received the
bill. The due date had varied. He suggested it could be a computer-programming
problem. Ms. Roden responded they would look into that.
Commissioner Jacobson requested seeing Comcast’s mission statement. Mr. Dunlap
indicated he had received that information from Ms. Donnelly-Cohen after the last
meeting and would send it.
Commissioner Browning indicated he uses check free and the Comcast logo appears, but
the bill didn’t appear when he tried to pull it up. He received an Email from Comcast
that it might be a bit of time before they had the electronic bill ready and he asked how
much more time that would be. He was able to pay the bill. Ms. Roden and Mr. Mattern
replied they hadn’t heard about that problem, but would look into it.
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Commissioner Peterson asked if they were done transferring Emails, he hadn’t received a
notice other than the first one? Ms. Roden replied they were being done in stages and it
didn’t have to be done yet.
Commissioner Browning felt this had gone smoothly overall. Ms. Roden replied that was
good, but it was frustrating for those in the 1% they were trying to help with issues.
B. Comcast updates on new cable rates and/or changes in the channel line up (if any)
Mr. Mattern indicated they were making channel changes as of January 8th. There would
be a little disruption. There would be more movies, music and sports. One of the most
exciting offerings would be video on demand and digital Latino ($6.99/mo) for Spanish
speaking citizens. He reviewed the channel line-ups. For questions, people can contact
651-222-3333.
Commissioner Jacobson asked the difference between digital and HD? Mr. Mattern
replied people are required to have an HD (high definition) television. The resolution on
the TV is much higher. You require an HD receiver to receive programming and need a
digital receiver to receive digital channels. HD is probably a little better quality. The HD
package costs more.
Commissioner Jacobson asked why the ESPN II got changed to a premium channel. Ms.
Roden replied one of the reasons they were going through the channel line up change was
to try to make a Twin Cities consistent channel line up regardless of what City you live
in. Some channels are changing because of the programming agreements between the
cable operator and the programmer. There are some subtle differences between Time
Warner programming agreements and what Comcast offers, which is why some
programming is continuing and some isn’t. Some people want a lot of sports
programming, which is the most expensive type of programming a cable operator buys,
so most sports channel programmers would like to see their programs on a basic or
standard line up. The cable operator tries to balance the needs and desires of the majority
of the customers and the ability in paying. Not everyone values sports programming the
same. Because of its expense, they were trying to put most sports programming on a
sports tier, so those who want it would incur the expense. She believed the pressure
would continue on cable operator to put sports programming at the lowest level, but that
would lead to higher bills. The trend would be to put sports channels on a higher tier.
Commissioner Huiras asked about the NFL network? Ms. Roden replied the NFL
network is offered on the St. Paul side. The NFL network and Comcast have an issue
related to the new systems Comcast had acquired (Time Warner). Comcast would like to
put the NFL network in the Time Warner and Adelphia systems that were acquired onto a
digital tier. The NFL network had filed a lawsuit against Comcast and until litigation is
resolved, they wouldn’t have the NFL network added.
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Commissioner Huiras asked if the “old” Comcast has a lot of channels that Time Warner
customers would not be receiving? Ms. Roden replied no, it was pretty rare. Mr. Mattern
indicated there was not a lot of difference.
Commissioner Jacobson asked why they split ESPN between I and II? Ms. Roden
replied that was probably a programmer question. It went back to cost and the
programmer’s interest in having more than one channel and trying to vary programming.
Ms. Roden discussed the NFL Channel and satellite dishes.
Mr. McHugh asked if the channel line up card was a prototype or what would be
distributed? Ms. Mattern replied it was the actual card customers would receive.
Mr. McHugh asked on the standard package if channels 47, 59, 65 and 98 would remain
blank? Ms. Roden replied if there was nothing listed, they were blank.
Mr. McHugh requested when the channel line up card is reprinted there be corrections
made to the local listings and would send them the information. Where can people get a
channel line up card in the future? Mr. Mattern replied at any of the service centers.
Mr. McHugh requested that 50-100 cards be sent for distribution at City hall? Ms. Roden
replied yes, when they were available.
C. Bylaws amendments
Chair Dworsky indicated the City Council adopted revised rules and procedures for
boards and commissions on Sept 18, 2006. He reviewed the changes.
Commissioner Huiras asked if all commissions would be under the new guidelines? Mr.
Dunlap replied yes, they vast majority of the bylaws would be very similar. Each
commission can set their own bylaws, but the general format is more uniform.
Commissioner Huiras asked if they wanted the chair to serve two consecutive terms,
could they do that? Mr. Dunlap believed they could do that.
Commissioner Huiras asked if they were subject to Council approval? Mr. Dunlap
replied they give the Council notice. The Council had given a directive and asked that all
commissions make the bylaws changes.
Commissioner Jacobson believed they had been on target with what was in the bylaws.
Commissioner Huiras stated they could draft the due dates as part of the work plan. They
could table discussion on the term of the chair or make a decision.
It was moved by Commissioner Browning, seconded by Commissioner Huiras, to approve
the revised bylaws.
The motion passed 7-0.
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D. School District quarterly report
Tom Marble, St. Louis Park School District Technology Department, presented the
quarterly report, specifically opening the TV studio facilities for public use. The facility
would be available 12 hours per month and no fee charged for facility use. They will
revisit the demands and adjust as necessary. Individuals interested in using the facility
can contact Mr. McHugh. A qualified employee will be required for technical assistance.
The School District is finalizing purchase of camera equipment for the studio in January.
Commissioner Jacobson asked if they had a preferred camera? Ms. Marble replied the
2100. Mr. Fiss indicated they have the 2000 model, which is by site and specs exactly
the same camera with the addition of a rocker switch on the handle.
Commissioner Jacobson asked if there were other big differences in the others listed?
Mr. Fiss responded he looked at some of the more expensive cameras and he believed the
2100 had a better picture. Mr. Marble added they wanted to have digital quality.
Commissioner Huiras asked if the studio would be publicized? Mr. Marble replied yes,
that was part of future discussions and it could be put on the school districts and the City
web site with contact information.
Commissioner Huiras suggested a listing in community education books, and Mr. Marble
responded that was a possibility as well. The facility will be reserved through
community education. Mr. Dunlap indicated it is possible they sell ads for those books,
but it would be hundreds of dollars of investment. That was a valuable place to advertise.
Commissioner Peterson asked if the camera was compatible with the hand controls? Mr.
Fiss replied it has the LANC control, which was universal.
Commissioner Huiras asked if some of the current broadcasts would be moving? Mr.
McHugh replied yes, they were being done in the studio they currently have access to
with the cable company.
Commissioner Jacobson asked if there was a separate place to keep the equipment
dedicated for community education users or would this be used for student activities as
well? Mr. Marble replied it would be used for both. The amount of use of the studio
facility had declined due to media production classes being eliminated. Any use of the
space by students is supervised. There are other cameras used for student projects.
Commissioner Huiras asked if they were looking at this as a permanent location? Mr.
McHugh replied they would take it on a year-by-year basis. If opportunities present
themselves with a new larger building being constructed by the City that could
accommodate a studio or a partnership with another entity in the City, those would be
something they would strive to do. The School District had been helpful with the initial
need. It is often the case that community TV operations try to have a separate facility
from the School District because they cannot use the facility during normal business
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hours. There may be need for studio use during the day. The hope would be that there
would be a different facility in the future. Mr. Marble added the biggest issue is from a
security standpoint things were tightening up and access is restricted during school hours.
Commissioner Jacobson asked once they get the recording done in the studio facilities, is
it supposed to go on the public channel? Mr. McHugh replied if it is supervised by
community TV or Civic TV, which would be the case, unless it was a training session.
Commissioner Jacobson asked about follow for what is produced in the studio to get it edited
to be used on the channel, were there needs in that area? Mr. McHugh replied no, they
would be recording it on community TV equipment, using community TV tape stock and it
would remain the possession of community TV. They wouldn’t record direct to DVD if
there were going to be editing needed. Mr. Marble noted they had the ability at the high
school facility to master record onto a mini DV format tape or go straight to hard drive.
Commissioner Jacobson asked if there were facilities to do DVD editing? Mr. McHugh
replied the expectation would be that they would record using a recorder they would
bring to the facility and when they left they would have the recorder and the original
studio recording and additional editing would be done out of their facility in a community
TV facility. The studio would be just for mastering it.
Mr. Marble commented that he and Mr. Fiss had been in conversation and in partnership
with KUOM, University of Minnesota radio station, with KDXL and had discussions
about web streaming. There are some legal changes dealing with streaming of licensed
music and licensing fees that would be paid. He was not sure as part of this they would
get into doing KDXL, because they needed to be aware something might change and
based upon licensing fees they might have to pay to do that.
Commissioner Browning believed they would have to pay if they aligned themselves with
the intercollegiate broadcasting system, and it is a reasonable fee on a yearly basis. Mr.
Marble replied yes, they were talking with the University about “piggy backing” on them in
terms of the fees being paid. They would both be sharing the same airwaves instead of
being double dipped and would be able to share some of the expense. There was a little
hesitation on jumping into that arena until they were clear on a licensing fee standpoint.
Commissioner Jacobson asked if they should hold off on a motion because of the fees?
Chair Dworsky believed they could proceed.
Commissioner Huiras asked if they were talking about web streaming channel 14
completely? Mr. Dunlap replied yes. The motion would be to purchase a computer and
pay for the hosting of video on demand and 24/7 web streaming for channel 14.
Commissioner Huiras asked if it would be on the City’s web site? Mr. Dunlap replied it
was up to the web masters. In the future, they would be able to have all of the local
channels on one web page with their schedule and information.
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Commissioner Morrow asked how the students would be involved? Mr. Marble replied
channel 14 is done as an automatic play back system and would be simulcast through the web.
Commissioner Browning asked if KDXL was 24/7 now? Mr. Marble replied yes, it is
automated. It is not 24/7 on the airwaves, they are time shared with the University of
Minnesota. Mr. Fiss added 106.5 FM has two inputs, the studio from the high school or
the signal coming from the college (KUOM). KUOM broadcasts on AM 24/7.
Whenever school is not in session, KUOM will be on the air. Whenever school is in
session, 8 AM – 4:30 PM KDXL is on, after that time it is KUOM.
Commissioner Jacobson asked what they were trying to accomplish by doing this? Mr.
Dunlap replied the reason he suggested it was because it was another way to support what
the school district is doing because in the past the Commission had asked about adding
web streaming for the School District to the City’s license with Implex.
Commissioner Browning asked what the proposed cost is? Mr. Marble replied they had
looked at web streaming KDXL in the past and since they were already going to be doing
something with video, adding additional bandwidth for just audio would not be a
tremendous cost. They were not broadcasting in stereo, it would be a mono signal.
Commissioner Browning asked if they would be adding any processing to the signal or
would it be a raw signal from the studio? Mr. Fiss replied no, currently the signal is
processed both from KUOM and from the school. It is processed to go out over the
airwaves. Mr. Dunlap added it might be as little as $1,000 for a computer and $200-$300
for a distribution amp that would split the signal, so the signal would go to a web
streaming computer and to a channel modulator to be distributed onto the cable system.
The license fee for Implex is an incremental cost.
It was moved by Commissioner Browning, seconded by Commissioner Jacobson, to
purchase a computer and pay for the hosting of video on demand and 24/7 web streaming
for channel 14.
Commissioner Huiras asked if they were talking about streaming it over the City’s
channels? Mr. Dunlap replied it would stream separately and be a fourth channel
available either from their web site or from slp.org. They didn’t specifically think that
the City would host it. They would need to put it on their web site.
Commissioner Huiras stated he would support this if it was linked from the City’s web
site to the Schools web site, otherwise he was not in support. Mr. McHugh believed it
would be a link on the web site that would then go to the signal provided by Implex, not
actually streaming from the school building? Mr. Marble replied yes.
Commissioner Jacobson asked if this was duplicated with a signal being picked up from
another source like the regular analog? Mr. Marble replied it was duplicated in the sense
that it is duplicated the same as the City was doing now. They had one program, but it
was being shown on two different outlets, cable TV or on the web.
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Commissioner Peterson indicated he could watch a school board meting from another
location, even live meetings.
The motion passed 7-0.
E. Discuss if the Commission supports adding web streaming for School District
channel 14 and audio for KDXL
Mr. Dunlap indicated there is money in the budget and they talked with Implex, the
vendor that hosts the web streaming capability and video on demand. They hadn’t gone
forward purchasing anything for the school district, but had a verbal agreement that they
could take care of it if they had a computer. Mr. Fiss had an idea for sending KDXL on
the same stream with the video and the audio if they had to do it that way. He was
suggesting the Commission give Council direction if they supported this idea and if so,
do a motion saying they support the capital purchase of the computer necessary for this to
happen and support for the School District doing the hosting by the same vendor the City
is now using for the three channels they were already web streaming.
Commissioner Huiras asked where the capital expenditure would come out of? Mr.
Dunlap replied it would come out of the franchise fee equipment grant.
Commissioner Huiras noted there was still funding remaining on the Schools report. Mr.
Dunlap replied that was true. He was suggesting this be an additional purchase funded by
the City, separate from the grant that they had received so it wouldn’t eat into the
planning they had already done for the studio facility.
F. Set meetings for 2007
2007 meeting dates (the first Thursday of the month): February 1, March (TBD by City
Council), May 3, July 12, October 4, and December 6.
G. Draft Work Plan for 2007
Chair Dworsky asked for suggestion or modification to the draft work plan.
Commissioner Huiras suggested adding to the February agenda an update on the studio
and local origination. What is Park TV update? Mr. Dunlap replied Park TV is what they
were calling local origination after it transitioned to City employees and service.
Commissioner Jacobson asked on the Park TV and public access if City employees could
use the facility more than they were doing now to help citizens know about the different
things being done, for example forestry services etc.? Would it be a good idea to try to
promote educational programs by City staff and use studio facilities? Mr. Dunlap replied
promotion of the community TV services available, including using the high school
studio when available was a good idea.
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Commissioner Jacobson noted information about the Inspections Department and building
issues around the City and ways to do things in building efforts would be helpful.
H. Draft Annual Report for 2006
Chair Dworsky asked for suggestions or modifications.
Commissioner Peterson indicated on the attendance on page 2, he was not at the August
3rd meeting.
Commissioner Huiras indicated on page 3, under School District 283, it had the
“Commissioner recommended” and it should read Commission. Under December 7th
section about adding web stream and audio for KDXL paid by City, could they add “from
franchise fees”.
I. Elect Chair and Vice Chair, to assume duties at next meeting
Chair Dworsky opened the floor for nomination for Chair and Vice chair.
Commissioner Browning nominated Commissioner Ken Huiras as Chair. Commissioner
Huiras accepted the nomination.
Commissioner Jacobson nominated Commissioner Bruce Browning as Vice Chair.
Commissioner Browning accepted the nomination.
Chair Dworsky called for second nominations. There were none. Chair Dworsky called
for third nominations. There were none.
It was motioned by Commissioner Jacobson, seconded by Commissioner Huiras to close
the nomination and approve nomination of Commissioner Huiras as Chair and
Commissioner Browning as Vice Chair.
The motion passed 7-0.
7. Old Business
A. Fiber Optic ordinance report from staff
Mr. Dunlap indicated there was nothing further to report at this time. They had a conversation
on the direction of where to go next and there would be more at the next meeting.
Commissioner Browning asked if there was a timeline or was it exploratory now? Mr.
Dunlap replied it was exploratory and part of it was pending to see what the City Council
voted for Park WiFi. They had voted to go forward and the Commission needed to take
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that into consideration with whatever recommendation they made to Council, that Park
WiFi was going to happen.
B. Park Wi Fi Update and next steps
Mr. McHugh stated the City Council approved the customer service component plan for
WiFi. The staff report was made available to commissioners. There is also a print out,
which is also posted on the City web site, about frequently asked questions about the
WiFi project, when it would take place, and proposed next steps. In a discussion with
Clint Pires, he described how they anticipated adding more subscribers in the second
quarter. Presently there are only the subscribers that participated in the pilot project. He
would also like to have members of the commission partner in information sessions with
the community and an “install-fest”. That is anticipated to happen at the end of February,
beginning of March. There will be more information coming. It was a perfect
opportunity to try more things. The master plan for WiFi has the entire system
constructed and turned on prior to exactly one year from now. The City is in the process
of contacting 2700 (registered and pilot project participants) residents to confirm if they
want to be notified when WiFi is available.
Commissioner Huiras asked the goal numbers? Mr. McHugh replied he did not have that
information, but would follow up. He believed 3,000-4,000. They anticipate business
would be big participants.
Commissioner Browning asked if the number of people connected affected connection
speed? Mr. McHugh replied the number of radios is flexible and not determined by being
located where there is a traditional power source from the electrical company. The
amount of fiber that would be put in by the City to specific locations is less flexible. If
there are more subscribers in one area of town, another radio can be added giving a mesh
network. They had that flexibility because they were using an independent power source.
Commissioner Browning asked if only two homes out of 400 use WiFi, the connect speed
will be “x” amount, but if 400 homes are using the same receiver at a given time, would
the connect speed stay the same? Mr. McHugh replied the expectation would be that the
traffic on the network would be monitored and they have flexibility to increase capacity.
There will also be security in case someone uses more bandwidth than normal use.
C. Local origination programming transition update
Mr. Dunlap indicated they had advertised for new Park TV employees. The City has
been looking for a communication coordinator and is in the final stages of the process.
They had received a number of applications and expected to start interviews in the
following week. There is an agreement with the Municipal Service Center to store the
Comcast van, when it is deeded to the City, inside the Municipal Service Center. They
had been working on upgrading the channels for the playback systems. As of this date,
they did not have programming playing on the channels due to the upgrades. They had a
character generator for channel 16 going from their office. They had ordered an edit
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system for the new staff to continue a similar workflow to what is presently happening
with Comcast employees.
Commissioner Huiras asked where local on demand was? Mr. Dunlap replied channel 1,000.
8. Reports
A. Complaints
Mr. Dunlap indicated he distributed an update for complaint #47 and #32, the person
without Email, which had been fixed after Ms. Roden intervened. Complaint #47 was the
letter to Comcast, which had also been resolved.
Commissioner Huiras asked if someone had really been transferred to Adelphia? Mr.
McHugh replied he had received the phone call and it could be that they had been
transferred to a different Comcast call center and they were answering the phone
Adelphia because they had recently been Adelphia.
9. Communication from the Chair
Chair Dworsky appreciated his time as chair. There had been a lot of technical advances,
some challenges and changes in the franchise and provider.
10. Communications from City Staff
Mr. McHugh stated he would like commissioners to use the promotional materials for the
new efforts for marketing.
11. Adjournment
Commissioner Huiras made a motion, Commission Browning seconded to adjourn at
8:49. The motion passed.
Respectfully submitted by:
Amy L. Stegora-Peterson
Recording Secretary