HomeMy WebLinkAbout2017/02/08 - ADMIN - Minutes - Community Technology Advisory Commission - RegularOFFICIAL MINUTES
ST. LOUIS PARK TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION
MEETING OF FEBRUARY 8, 2017
ST. LOUIS PARK COUNCIL CHAMBERS
MEMBERS PRESENT: Maren Anderson, Bruce Browning, David Dyer, Cindy
Hoffman, Abe Levine and Rolf Peterson.
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Clint Pires, Chief Information Officer, Jacqueline Larson,
Communications and Marketing Manager, Reg Dunlap,
Civic TV Coordinator and John McHugh, Community TV
Coordinator
OTHERS PRESENT: Travis Carter, U.S. Internet Vice President, Chuck Brolin
and one other visitor
1. Call to Order
Chair Anderson called the meeting to order at 7:02 p.m.
2. Roll Call
Present at roll call were Commissioners Anderson, Browning, Hoffman, Levine and
Peterson. Commissioner Dyer arrived at 7:03 p.m.
3. Approval of Minutes for December 14, 2016
It was moved by Commissioner Browning, seconded by Commissioner Levine, to
approve the minutes. The motion passed 6-0.
4. Adoption of Agenda
Mr. Dunlap asked to switch items 6 C. and D., and add item 6. G., Complaint log review.
It was moved by Commissioner Peterson, seconded by Commissioner Browning, to
approve the agenda as presented. The motion passed 6-0.
5. Public Comment – None
6. Reports & Discussion
A. Small cell and distributed antenna systems (DAS) permitting in St. Louis Park
Chief Information Officer Clint Pires gave a verbal report. Wireless cell companies have
typically served customers with macro sites, such as on three water towers in St. Louis
Park. The providers need to penetrate deeper into residential and commercial areas to
meet the increasing demand. Small cells amplify the volume and speed of data delivered
to customers. Each carrier installs its own small cells to serve customers. DAS is more
like a tenant system that hosts several providers in one cabinet. The challenge: not every
cell provider needs their capacity grown or speed amplified in the same areas as others.
Five G wireless technology is coming and will provide the capacity the providers and
customers need. Companies are attempting to use existing structures in the right of way
owned by municipalities, such as traffic lights, street signs, light poles, etc.
City staff has been working on this, and timing is very good because the city has just
developed a master license agreement that will go to the City Council February 13 for
adoption on February 21. Then a template will be in place for any provider that comes
into town, and the conditions under which we'd allow equipment to be placed in our right
of way. Verizon is the first customer, wanting locations along Park Place Boulevard from
Cedar Lake Road to I-394. City staff expects the number of applications to grow and we
want to be ready. We want the right of way equipment to be structurally sound and
aesthetically acceptable. Aesthetics at West End, for example, are different than
residential areas. The city is intent on retaining local control under which the conditions
can occur.
At state and federal level, telecom providers are attempting to strip control from local
government on how or where these items are placed. Cities feel this is a public right of
way and should be a city decision. At the same time companies coming in should have a
level playing field and have a master template that defines conditions.
Commissioner Browning asked if the state is involved at any level? How do they look at
it versus the city? Mr. Pires said there has been legislation that would pre-empt local
control and make statewide decisions. MACTA and other professional organizations are
arguing for keeping local control.
Commissioner Levine asked what standards would be statewide if the state was granted
that authority? Mr. Pires said it is a work in progress, looking at rents that can be charged
and making it a uniform amount. Another area that has been discussed is looking at ANY
public property such as parks, water towers, etc., not just right of way.
Commissioner Dyer asked if there was cooperation between Verizon and ATT for
example, so they aren't all trying to replace different things, instead of them all hopping
on same structure. Mr. Pires said putting a bunch of antennas on a streetlight won't do
much for aesthetics, but we haven't seen much collaboration between companies, except
to limit local control to manage installations.
Commissioner Browning asked about how macro towers tie into fiber networks to
provide communications for facilities? Do small cells link back up to macro towers and if
so how? Mr. Pires said it's a combination and depends on backhaul needs.
Commissioner Peterson asked if it could happen on private property, and if there are
zoning regulations? Mr. Pires said, yes, we have zoning regulations so there are limits in
private areas. Commissioner Peterson said he's installed Mobilite equipment and it's
huge, and can't hang on poles. Is that what we mean? Mr. Pires said, each company
would look at its own small cells, and perhaps have joint tenancy with one site hosting
multiple carriers.
Mr. Pires said the city is moving ahead with presenting this concept to the City Council
February 13 to have them review master license agreement and individual installation
agreements. Verizon is not getting everything they wanted but is getting what they need.
Bloomington and St. Paul have templates in place, and Edina is working on one.
B. City fiber deployment update with Chief Information Officer Clint Pires
Mr. Pires talked about the status of the City’s fiber network and partnerships. The city
has been involved in fiber installation for 12 years, and the school district started in 1998.
The city did the bulk of its work in 2008 and 2009. The city and school district have
collaborated for years now. The city has more than 50 miles of fiber after the 2016
installations. The cost analysis shows the payback is within eight years for installing fiber
versus paying a provider, plus getting much better speed and quality. We keep building
out the network and building in redundancy.
Mr. Pires said in 2016, fiber was relocated by the Brookview Golf Course, and extended
into Golden Valley and to the Hennepin County Sherriff’s Office. St. Louis Park Library
has a fiber connection now, which was a goal of the city’s fiber study several years ago,
provided by partnering with Hennepin County, who in exchange built some segments of
fiber for the city to use.
Another project with Hennepin County is Southwest Light Rail Transit. The county is
putting fiber under the track then allocating strands to cities through which the line
passes.
Mr. Pires said fiber redundancy is a huge issue because reliance on connections to the
internet is increasingly crucial. The city now has two connection to each location like
City Hall, MSC, Police Station, two fire stations, Nature Center, the Rec Center, ROC
and to all the main data centers. Why? Because some contractors aren't as careful as they
should be, and we have to keep internet access if a main line is cut.
Mr. Pires said fiber additions in 2016 were along Utica Avenue and Wayzata Boulevard,
along with the construction on the east side of Utica with residential, hotel and offices.
He said fiber or conduit is installed when the ground is open and it’s cost effective.
The water meter replacement program involved wireless water meters being read by six
data collectors in town. This allows reading all but 50 of the 14,000 installed meters. The
fiber supports this, and gets the data back to City Hall. Wireless and fiber will coexist,
and we need both.
Mr. Pires said that fiber has been extended to the ROC, and wireless access points under
the roof will be able to support 1,000 people connecting at the same time. Fiber was
extended to Louisiana Oaks, Oak Hill and Aquila parks, and when that is done, Wi-Fi for
a public amenity is added as well.
Looking forward to 2017, fiber conduit will be added along Texas Avenue in the
reconstruction from Minnetonka to Hwy. 7, and in the Sorenson neighborhood south of
Lake Street, where about 4.5 miles of street will be replaced. That's really the city’s
emphasis—to build capacity and make it helpful to community generally. Wi-Fi will be
added to the Wolfe Park playground area and Veterans Memorial Amphitheatre.
Mr. Pires said that’s 50 miles of fiber or conduit, and increasingly with a benefit to the
community, and who knows, maybe someday fiber to the premise.
Commissioner Browning asked about the cost of fiber or conduit? Mr. Pires said it varies
but generally $10-$15 per foot. Generally two conduits and one fiber are installed to
future proof it, in case we need more capacity later and have to replace a fiber. It’s much
cheaper than boring again later, or opening up the street which leads to potholes and
repairs.
Commissioner Browning asked if they install single mode or multi-mode fiber? Mr.
Pires said usually they install conduit, for future use, but that the existing fiber is usually
single mode.
Commissioner Levine asked if the city’s intent was to wire to every home eventually, or
to leave that to U.S. Internet and others? Mr. Pires said, it’s a combination, that they
expect to lease fiber to others. Commissioner Levine said that along Inglewood Avenue
the street was torn up but no fiber was installed. Mr. Pires said the city had installed some
fiber along Joppa, and that he’d like to review this with Commissioner Levine to see if it
was someone else’s project.
Chair Anderson thanked Mr. Pires for the impressive update.
C. Discuss City Council strategic goal: Researching strategic options
Mr. Pires said that the City Council has the goal of St. Louis Park as a technology
connected community and has asked staff to develop strategies and action plans to
achieve this. He suggested the Commission immerse itself in the study of some of the
possibilities and ways to get there. A natural way to start is to see what others have done,
and perhaps have a subcommittee study this. The goals were put together in 2015, and is
meant to get us to 2025, so it isn’t a one year document. He said he’d love to see the
Commission tackle this topic: how do we use all this fiber, and how does it help us?
Commissioner Levine asked where the charter of the city starts and stops? For example,
this is the Telecommunications Advisory Commission, but it could be the Technology
Advisory Commission. The city can’t try to do it all itself, and shouldn’t, but would we
be tasked with working on an entire problem or opportunity, or just the communications
part of it?
Mr. Pires said that this used to be the Cable TV Commission because that’s what was
being reviewed, and that John McHugh suggested the name change to reflect the broader
areas of review.
Commissioner Browning said it needs to be a collaborative effort, that we’re always
learning, and the technology is always evolving, and referenced a survey.
Mr. Pires said it’s a challenge to conduct an accurate survey, it’s different than it used to
be. We know we have to evolve with the times and get ahead of it where we can.
Commissioner Levine suggested a subgroup, and Commissioner Browning volunteered.
Mr. Dunlap said that the Commission now has six members, with another appointee
coming in May or June, and that a subcommittee would probably have an additional
meeting in the next few months and report back at the May meeting.
D. Update on U.S. Internet progress in St. Louis Park
Mr. Pires said the city and U.S. Internet have been in talks for several years to deliver
fiber to the home someday. Many of us believe fiber to the home will happen, that it’s
just a matter of time. What is happening in Minneapolis is noteworthy, and St. Louis
Park is a natural because of our population density of 4,600 per square mile. This has
been of interest to the Telecommunications Advisory Commission for some time, he
introduced Travis Carter of U.S. Internet to describe what they’ve done in Minneapolis
and more important, talk about how their plans might intermingle in St. Louis Park.
Mr. Carter described U.S.I’s background in Minneapolis, going back to the city-wide Wi-
Fi contract in 2008 and installing 2,500 access points. He said they did their best to
deliver the technology and it still works today, but in the post-Netflix world it became
apparent there wasn’t enough capacity on the network to deliver the service we would
want to consume. U.S.I. researched fiber and began to build with the intent that
someday they’d wire all of Minneapolis, and the customer would decide which services
would be successful. U.S.I. started with 100 megabit speed seven years ago, and now has
passed 56,000 homes in Minneapolis with a 52% market share in the blocks where they
offer service. U.S.I. made the conscious choice to not provide cable TV service, to focus
on internet with low latency, high bandwidth and no caps. U.S.I. started in the Uptown
Area and moved south until they hit Minnehaha Creek. In 2017 U.S.I. plans to work west
to Linden Hills, and next to that is St. Louis Park. U.S.I. offices are in Minnetonka, and
we are looking to expand into St. Louis Park. Last year we did a project on
Westmoreland, and this year are looking to connect to the West End and from the other
side of town, Minikahda Vista, and connect those two areas similar to what we’re doing
in Minneapolis.
Mr. Carter said that U.S.I. needs some property in St. Louis Park for electronics, so once
that hurdle is past, they can begin to deliver service here. The goal is to connect
everyone, but since this is a privately funded venture, they build to their capacity, slow
and steady, and are limited to the construction season of April 15 to November 15. U.S.I.
deploys active Ethernet, so every home or business gets a dedicated fiber, which allows
them to be technology agnostic.
Mr. Carter complemented the City of St. Louis Park for allowing them to leverage the
infrastructure already in place. U.S.I. has 840 units in multiple dwelling units signed up
to wire, including Meadowbrook. Mr. Carter expects to reach 2,500 homes in St. Louis
Park this year and include some single family homes. U.S.I. has a fixed amount of
capital for construction and most of it will go to Minneapolis in 2017, but Mr. Carter
looks to increase that in St. Louis Park in 2018.
Commissioner Browning asked if they used hub and spoke design, and how deep
underground they were? Mr. Carter said yes, and that they were usually 3 to 4 feet deep
mainly avoiding gas lines.
Commissioner Browning asked if there were any issues with fiber cuts?
Mr. Carter said they had two or three per year, usually after the facilities are marked but
the area is being cleared for large construction projects.
Commissioner Levine asked how good the GIS systems are, that they work with? Mr.
Carter said that they get the as-builts from each company in the right of way when they
get a permit, then overlay them on one map. Then they go find out what’s really there,
because the as-builts aren’t accurate. They manually dig up the gas main in front of
every house and mark on the sidewalk how deep it is, and calculate where to bore.
Commissioner Levine asked if that information was collected somewhere so the next
company wouldn’t have to do this? Mr. Carter said no. He said they have three or four
gas line hits per year and it brings a real circus, with fire trucks and everything.
Chuck Brolin lives in an apartment building on Oxford, and said that U.S.I. sent a
representative to talk to the residents about their plans last week. He said he was happy
to hear that there would be no cost to residents to install a main box in each building, and
then each unit would be connected to that box. His question was, how can this be done in
only 120 days, from the West End or the Minneapolis border?
Mr. Pires said that the city built excess fiber and capacity in some areas, so the city is
leasing fiber and conduit to U.S.I. They are the second company to take advantage of
that capacity. The City Council has authorized either a price per mile or value trades.
U.S.I. has built 1.5 miles of fiber and traded that to the city to make a needed connection
for the School District at 14th and Colorado. In addition we’re looking at more fiber along
Excelsior Boulevard and a fiber connection to Shelard Park, which has been a goal for
some time. Collaboration with U.S.I. allowed these connections to happen faster than
they would have.
Mr. Carter said this is unique to St. Louis Park, to do fiber leasing, and it will enable
thousands of users to come online this year. It helps justify U.S.I. bringing more capital
in later this summer or next year.
Commissioner Browning asked whether they prefer to run fiber or Ethernet to each unit?
Mr. Carter said installing Ethernet jacks is preferred because it’s technology neutral and
more familiar to the customer. But it varies, depending on the building that is being
connected. He said they have 20,000 fiber customers and they get about 12 tech support
calls per day, so it’s a very reliable product. Eleven of those calls are the Wi-Fi
connection in the home.
Commissioner Peterson said fiber to the home can’t happen soon enough, for him. His
son lives in Boston in a building that was built before Washington was President, and he
has fiber there.
Mr. Carter said that they expected the millennials to be their most popular demographic,
but instead it’s the people in senior high-rises, and the reason is price. U.S.I.’s mantra is
to build a service they would want to buy. There’s no contract, and it’s easy to connect.
Mr. Pires said the Council has pushed for a choice of providers. Another thing U.S.I. has
done is symmetrical speeds for upload and download, which is no small benefit.
Mr. Pires said that he and Mr. Carter would be making a similar presentation to the City
Council at a Study Session next week, and that they would be looking for feedback from
the Telecommunications Advisory Commission on the arrangement with U.S.I. He said
that making St. Louis Park the first fiber-wired suburb would be a great thing for
residents.
Chair Anderson made the motion to endorse the partnership between U.S. Internet and
the city, including fiber lease agreements, and encourages U.S. Internet to continue to
build out to the rest of the city. Commissioner Browning seconded, and the motion
passed 6-0.
E. Park TV marketing, publicity & program report for 2016
Mr. Dunlap said that there are five different ParkTV channels, and over 400 programs
were produced by staff in 2016.
Ms. Larson said that it was gratifying to see staff produce more short videos for social
media, which results in a lot of views. She commended Paul Broden for doing several
productions from Groves Academy, which is a new venue for ParkTV, and Paul and John
McHugh for coverage of the FC Minneapolis soccer league.
F. Review annual report to Council and pick the key points to report to Council
Mr. Dunlap selected three goals for the draft report but these are subject to change based
on Commission input, either in discussion tonight or by following up with email.
He said that the Commission had a good start towards goal number one, with Mr. Pires’
presentation this evening: “Review small cell and distributed antenna systems permitting
in St. Louis Park to ensure St. Louis Park is ready to be in the first wave to benefit from
these technologies.”
Commissioner Levine suggested changing goal number two, to “Bringing the highest
speed fiber networks to city residences and businesses in the short term, and maintain
high performance over the long term.”
Commissioner Browning said that defining high speed, since that varies, would be useful.
High speed five years ago is not fast enough today.
Commissioner Levine suggested changing goal number three to: “Recommend ways to
use high performing fiber and wireless networks, once established, to enhance livability
in the city.”
Mr. Dunlap said that was a very good improvement in the goals, and asked if other
Commissioners agreed with that approach. The consensus was to make the changes.
G. Complaint logs
Commissioner Levine said that one thing that stood out was the confusion over the cost
of service, that the taxes and fees that are added onto the bill are not usually talked about
but can add 15% to the total. He said maybe Comcast could do a better job of addressing
that up front with people. Commissioner Dyer agreed, and said it should be more like
when other products are purchased so that only the tax is added, so that the cost is more
predictable. Commissioner Levine said that with telephone offers, the details can get lost
so a follow up email would help customers to understand the details of the offer.
Mr. Dunlap said that there is a lawsuit in California about marketing the package price,
but not including fees like the broadcast TV or sports channel fees, which are $8 in St.
Louis Park, and the HD technology fee, which is $10.
7. Communications from the Chair, Commissioners and City
Mr. Dunlap invited Commissioners to the MACTA Day at the Capitol and the upcoming
Council Study Session. He said it was bittersweet to announce that ParkTV producer
Scott Smith was retiring soon, that this would be his last Commission meeting and that
everyone will miss him.
Ms. Larson invited Commissioners to attend the Vision 3.0 upcoming meetings, that the
goal is to reach as far and wide as possible in the community.
8. Adjournment
Chair Anderson adjourned the meeting at 8:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted by:
Reg Dunlap
Civic TV Coordinator