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ST. LOUIS PARK TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION
MEETING OF May 22, 2013
ST. LOUIS PARK COUNCIL CHAMBERS
MEMBERS PRESENT: Bruce Browning, Rick Dworsky, Dale Hartman, Cindy Hoffman,
Toby Keeler, Rolf Peterson, and Bill Theobald
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Reg Dunlap, Civic TV Coordinator; John McHugh, Community
TV Coordinator
OTHERS PRESENT: Karly Werner, Comcast
1. Call to Order
Chair Theobald called the meeting to order at 7:02 PM.
2. Roll Call
Present at roll call were Commissioners Browning, Dworsky, Hartman, Hoffman, Keeler,
Peterson and Theobald.
3. Approval of Minutes for February 27, 2013
It was moved by Commissioner Browning, seconded by Commissioner Keeler, to approve
the minutes of February 27, 2013, without changes.
The motion passed 7-0.
4. Adoption of Agenda
It was moved by Commissioner Browning, seconded by Commissioner Peterson, to
approve the agenda.
The motion passed 7-0.
5. Public Comment
Phillip Hogland, 2716 Vernon Av. S, expressed concern over problems he had with his cable
service the past week when they were switching channels from analog to digital last Tuesday.
He said it was a frustrating experience that required 8 hours of his time to resolve. All of the
local channels, 2-13, plus 20, and some others, were displaying an “interruption in service”
message. His neighbor had the exact same problem. However, what should have happened
before the change is that the filters on the main line on the pole should have been removed. The
filters were not removed, which caused the system to stop working, according to the Comcast
technician who resolved the problem. Mr. Hogland said that he wanted to mention this in case
others were having the same problem; look for a 2 inch by ½ inch cylinder on the cable line, and
call Comcast to see if it should be removed.
Mr. Dunlap noted Mr. Hogland was complaint #20 on the log. He spoke with escalation staff
who said that changing the frequencies that carry local channels caused the problem. He would
try to find out what happened, and reported that he received several calls about missing channels
on DTA’s last week.
Commissioner Browning said he’d be curious to talk to Comcast technical staff to find out if
those filters were supposed to be removed and someone just forgot, since it obvious had an
impact.
Commissioner Hoffman asked how long this went on, was it for a couple of days? Mr. Hogland
said he noticed it Wednesday, and it was out until Saturday afternoon. In the meantime, Mr.
Hogland followed the directions posted on the web site, called tech support and spoke with them
for two hours, then worked with a tech on the chat line for an hour or so, at which point he was
told to bring the adapter in to a service center. He took the DTA to the cable store Friday noon,
came back home with a new adapter and set that up, then went back on the chat line for another
two hours because it didn’t fix the problem. On Saturday morning, he went on the chat line again
for an hour, and they told him it was his TV, or inside wiring, and they wanted him to commit to
pay for a Comcast service call. Instead, Mr. Hogland went shopping for an over the air antenna,
and when he returned a Comcast tech was in the alley to assist the neighbor. Mr. Hogland told
him about the problem, and the tech said he’d just fixed that by removing the filter, which he
noticed while servicing the neighbor’s line.
Commissioner Peterson asked if Comcast tech support could communicate with the DTA’s, and
Mr. Hogland said yet. Commissioner Peterson said he was surprised that the intelligent device
used by tech support couldn’t find the problem.
Mr. Hogland said he called Comcast again to request a credit, and was granted a credit of $1.65.
Commissioner Browning asked if the chat line was staff by technical people, or customer service
reps? Mr. Hogland said he thought the chat line was more effective than spending the time on the
telephone, and he gets to have a transcript of the conversation. He said the level of service was
low, by his expectations.
Mr. McHugh said that he recommended that Mr. Hogland give Comcast one last phone call to
upgrade the credit to the $20 mentioned in the Comcast customer service guaranty.
6. Action Items
A. Franchise fee audit partnership
Mr. Dunlap provided a memo summarizing potential audit partners which did not include
information from Minneapolis or St. Paul. Chair Theobald asked if there was any
information about when that would be available, like the next month or two? Mr. Dunlap
said it could be several months while the cities and Comcast worked on a settlement,
which would then be reported in public documents available to St. Louis Park.
7. Reports
A. Complaints
Mr. Dunlap noted there were a few more complaints than usual, but they dated back to
February 5th. To the best of his knowledge, all of them have been resolved.
Commissioner Browning asked how many complaints go to Escalation? Mr. Dunlap
replied that all complaints that come to City staff are referred to Escalation.
Commissioner Browning said that he noticed the common thread was having difficulty
getting ahold of somebody who could understand the problems. He said we’ve seen this
before, and we know they’re trying to improve what they’re doing and have more people
in specific technical areas. It’s pretty much impossible to have any one person know
everything about the system. He said it’s common to see in the complaint log a lack of
knowledge by customer service, which is very frustrating for the customer.
Mr. McHugh stated he received an additional complaint the previous day and customer
service didn’t understand the issues and wanted to up-sell the customer. It turned out the
customer had been mistakenly receiving on demand content at no charge until Comcast
fixed the problem on their end. He said that Comcast doesn’t drop the ball that often, or our
phone would never stop ringing. It’s upsetting to see these worst case scenarios but
fortunately there aren’t a lot of them.
Commissioner Browning said he’d toured Comcast’s Roseville head end and the technology
was incredible.
Commissioner Peterson said that the progression about losing channels one at a time, like
AMC, may be stabilized with the all-digital network, which may be better, but doesn’t solve
the customer service problems.
Ms. Werner, Comcast, stated there had been a lot of changes and the major change was
moving to an all-digital system. Some customers have issues with DTA’s and that takes
awhile to work out. Also, they had been reconfiguring the customer call center, which
would be more efficient with customer service agents who were deeper in substance,
rather than a geographic area. Each call center will focus on one area; St. Paul will be
billing, and the loyalty center will be in Minnetonka. Tech-specific issues will be in
Portland and Houston. The customer gets a prompt when they call in, so they can be sent
to the correct call center. It has been difficult during the transition because they are
retraining and re-hiring and had to rely more heavily on third party partners, which is
almost over. Comcast is moving some channels around on the spectrum to standardize
somewhat more to allow more bandwidth for other advanced services. We’re trying to
do it so customers don’t have to reset a box, but they may have to re-scan a QAM tuner to
find the channels. That’s been happening over the last week so that could have
contributed to the problems as well.
Commissioner Browning asked if it was possible to talk with a technician at the call
center, not a service rep? Ms. Werner replied agents will have deeper knowledge and be
able to spot issues better or get referred to technician.
Commissioner Hartman said he had an issue where he was stuck on channel 1 when he
tried to enter a channel 111, for example, and it would take 10 or 15 seconds to get off
that channel. So the customer service rep said it looks like you’ll have to speed up your
pinkies. He was angry that customer service took it lightly even though it was a real
problem, so he switched to Dish TV and was sick of Comcast staff. Ms. Werner said she
was sorry the staff had handled it that way, and that they take all feedback to heart.
Commissioner Browning said technology is more complicated than ever and tough on
older customers to understand.
Mr. McHugh asked about PEG channels moving. Ms. Werner stated they are moving the
frequency that carries the local channels, but not going to change the where they are found
in the channel line-up or from a Comcast box. Some QAM tuners will need to re-scan to
find the signals. She would send an email with more details in case there were more calls.
Mr. Dunlap said he could add information about the change to the cable TV information
on the City web site.
Ms. Werner said the positive side is that they have rolled out a lot of new services and
high definition channels, as well as doubled internet speeds at no additional cost.
B. Fiber network update
Mr. Dunlap talked with Clint Pires to prepare the memo in the packet, who reported
overall they were making a lot of progress on the recommendations of the Fiber Study.
The City plans to complete many of the fiber links so there will be redundant fiber in case
of fiber cuts. Mr. Pires reached out to Park Nicollet, and will build fiber to the library in
the next year or two, which were also recommendations. The City wants to create
revenue by leasing fiber but the link to the library will be a public service for Hennepin
County to improve internet access at that site.
C. Streaming video equipment upgrade
Mr. Dunlap presented a demonstration of a two test live streams and compared them to
the existing streams. Live streaming video dates to 2006 when the City purchased cards
and installed them in computers and they’ve been working ever since. LOGIS has been
handling the live streaming for the last two years at no additional cost for that service,
they added it to the list of services provided to the City. That saves the City about $1,000
per month that Implex charged for their streaming service and video on demand hosting.
Commissioner Browning asked about the hardware required? Mr. Dunlap said it is a
Viewcast Niagara 9100 8A, meaning it can provide up to 8 live streams, and the City has
5 channels. The reason for the new hardware is to reach more mobile devices, which
currently cannot receive the City’s channels. LOGIS is demoing the software to reach all
Apple products like iPads and iPhones. But it won’t reach every mobile device, because
some Android phones will have to download a flash video player, and not all of the
phones can download that player.
Commissioner Browning said that it was a substantial improvement.
Mr. McHugh asked if all eight streams were the same quality? Mr. Dunlap said no. Mr.
McHugh said that means it can do a lower bit rate stream, for folks who don’t have
Comcast high speed service.
Mr. Dunlap said the extra resolution wouldn’t be obvious for most programs from the
Chambers seen on channel 17, but it would be noticeable on sports coverage. The unit
has many other useful features, for example, it will send an email alert if one of the
channels stops streaming.
D. Comcast DTA activities
Mr. Dunlap stated at the beginning of the year, Comcast changed how they do DTA’s for
customers with service other than basic cable. For basic cable they get up to three for
free. However if you have Digital Preferred or Economy, you get charged $1.99/each for
a digital adapter outlet service. There was a little controversy about the charge, because
it was sort of like saying that the DTA used to cost nothing, and now it cost $1.99. But
the way Comcast classified the cost was as an additional outlet service. At least one city
contacted their legal staff and put a stay on the charge and it’s not clear how that will turn
out.
The St. Louis Park City Attorney said he didn’t see enough basis to dispute the charge,
so we didn’t pursue it like the other city has. Mr. Dunlap said he wanted to update the
Commission in case there was any more news coverage about this.
8. Communication from the Chair
Commissioner Keeler provided an update on MACTA. The Broadband Task Force has
been placed under the Department of Commerce, which is probably a good thing. It has
received funding and should become more active, and now has a representative from the
City of St Paul, the first government agency representative on the Task Force. There is a
Telecomm bill in committee that may see action next year, so that’s being watched
closely by MACTA lobbyists. The MACTA annual conference is October 29th in
Bloomington at the same site as last year. In 2014 it will be in May to make room for the
NATOA conference September 29th-October 4th in St. Paul. He is the membership
committee Co-Chair for MACTA.
9. Communications from City Staff
Mr. McHugh handed out the programming roster for TV15, which is up to program #45.
Mr. Dunlap noted that they would be doing remodeling in City Hall. The first floor and
parking will change to the East side, where the new entrance will be located.
Mr. Browning stated Comcast has a head end facility in Roseville and suggested the
Commissioners tour that location and have a meeting there. He toured it with other TV
engineers and found it interesting that it can be run entirely on battery power, in case of a
power outage. He asked a Comcast technician how much streaming video from Netflix
and You Tube taxes the system, and the answer was currently, about 40% of capacity.
But after another 100 gigabit switch is added soon, traffic will drop to 9% of capacity.
So they have capacity to grow, and to see them double our internet speeds was a nice
thing.
10. Adjournment
Commissioner Dworsky made a motion, Commission Browning seconded to adjourn at
8:06. The motion passed.
Respectfully submitted by:
Amy L. Stegora-Peterson
Recording Secretary