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City council study session
St. Louis Park, Minnesota
June 8, 2020
The meeting convened at 6:30 p.m.
Councilmembers present: Mayor Jake Spano, Tim Brausen, Rachel Harris, Larry Kraft, Anne
Mavity, Nadia Mohamed, and Margaret Rog.
Councilmembers absent: none.
Staff present: Deputy City Manager/Human Resources Director (Ms. Deno), CIO (Mr. Pires),
Director of Community Development (Ms. Barton), Housing Supervisor/Deputy Community
Development Director (Ms. Schnitker), Assistant Housing Supervisor (Ms. Olson), Property
Maintenance and Licensing Manager (Ms. Boettcher), Police Chief Harcey, Racial Equity
Manager (Ms. Sojourner), Community Organizer (Mr. Gray), Senior Management Analyst (Ms.
Solano), and Recording Secretary (Ms. Pappas).
Guests: Crime/Drug-Free workgroup members: Marc Berg, Kirsten Breker Albright, Judith
Onsuma, Karl Gamradt, Liz Schroeder, and Joey Dobson, Housing Attorney advising the group .
1. Crime/drug-free rental housing ordinance – discussion with workgroup
Mr. Berg, lead workgroup member, presented options A and B to the council.
Councilmember Harris asked for a quick overview of the items to be repealed in the ordinance
in sections 8331, 8332, and the ordinance revision in section 8333. Mr. Berg explained that
8331 deals with definitions, procedure, uses, and criminal and drug activity. He noted if the
police issue a criminal or drug activity, the landlord is required to proceed with eviction. He
stated in option B, this entire section would be repealed. Additionally, in 8332, if a landlord fails
to end the lease when required to do so, the landlord is fined . He stated in option B, this also
would be repealed. With section 8333, this would be a revision to the ordinance because there
is a cross reference here to section 8331. There would no longer be a lease provision for
landlords if 8331 is repealed.
Councilmember Kraft asked if the provisional license is subjective or if there are specific
objectives being recommended. Ms. Schnitker stated the suggested language under 8333
involves changes on the provisional license that are there to not dissuade anyone from calling
police if help is needed but noted the language can be subjective as well.
Councilmember Mavity stated this ordinance was ad opted prior to her time on the council, and
its original goal was to deal with a few landlords the city was having problems with . The
ordinance did not exist before that time and one of its key challenges is that it now feels
misdirected and the entire focus and impact of it is now on tenants, instead of landlords.
Councilmember Mavity added she is strongly in favor of a full repeal of this ordinance because
of the many reasons that have surfaced within the work group. She stated every human being
deserves kindness and respect and in housing, the disparities are huge. She added if the city
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had looked at this ordinance through the lens of racial equity, it never would have been
adopted.
Councilmember Mavity stated today we must ask what the role of police in our community is.
She stated she is very proud of the city’s police department and proud that St. Louis Park does
community policing, but the police do not have a role in housing. She added we have asked the
police to do too much, and while they are wonderful people, they do not have expertise in
housing, and yet their decisions can impact a person’s housing for decades. She stated this is
seen more clearly today.
Councilmember Mavity stated it doesn’t work, it’s ineffective, and we have not had this
ordinance in effect for 1.5 years, adding she has not heard of any changes in the city’s crime
rate because of it. She stated this ordinance has had enormous negative impacts on people’s
housing and lives. She stated the ordinance does not align with the city’s race equity work and
it needs to end now.
Chief Harcey explained the impact most noted by police without the ordinance being in place is
the lack of being able to create a strong partnership with landlords and building owners due to
the lack of free flow of information.
Councilmember Mavity stated she appreciated that, but the city’s relationship with residents is
more important than with landlords and everyone else, and residents need to be prioritized.
Chief Harcey stated the system had been in place for many years and owners and managers
relied on the data of what was going on in their buildings.
Councilmember Rog appreciated the work of this group and staff, the challenges faced, and is
sorry for that, but added the group rose to the occasion. She stated she hoped they learned
from each other. She stated there is no question in her mind this is not an ordinance the city
would enact today, stating it flies in the face of the city’s racial equity work and strategic goals.
Councilmember Rog added eliminating police involvement in housing is the direction the city
needs to take, and she will support option B.
Councilmember Rog asked what the rationale is for tenants involved in an appeal of a
provisional license decision. Ms. Dobson stated the provisional license has an impact on the
individual living in that home and if someone is visiting a tenant and there is an issue, the
tenant would have an interest in preserving the roof over their head, so sometimes the tenant
and landlord are on the same page.
Ms. Schroeder stated her property manager lives onsite and is there to support tenants if
needed. If there are issues, she works to correct them, and works with tenants while letting
them know their rights.
Councilmember Rog stated training will be important for property managers and landlords,
including tenants’ rights and mediation process. She noted it will be a challenge for property
managers, but it’s time to reshape the process, and not default to poli ce, as clearly, they are
not the experts.
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Ms. Schroeder added her property manager cares about everyone personally and cares about
folks. She stated landlords and property managers need to care about people and cannot
separate business aspects from people. She added her property manager has invested in
human beings and in the underserved and she hopes every property manager can be like this .
Councilmember Rog thanked Ms. Schroeder for her comments and stated the council would
never implement an ordinance like this today. She stated housing should not be used as a tool
to punish people. Councilmember Rog also noted there are statutes in place that don’t infringe
on fair housing within the city. She quoted from the article provided by Ms. Dobson and added
this ordinance does not work for this community. She stated more data is needed from the
police department in order to justify how much is included in the annual budget for police.
Councilmember Harris stated the ordinance was rooted in improving the qu ality of life and
keeping crime to a minimum in rental units. She continued that social norms are now different.
She asked the workgroup to comment on the thinking of property managers on the workgroup
who were in favor of option A. Mr. Berg stated none of the property managers or landlords that
served on the workgroup are at tonight’s meeting, and he will not speak for them .
Chief Harcey stated the property managers have looked to the ordinance to have police provide
accurate information on what is going on inside the buildings, and if a tenant is creating a
quality of life issue within a building.
Ms. Schnitker agreed with Chief Harcey, stating the property managers liked getting police
reports in order to know about activity within buildings, b ut most landlords did agree there
needs to be changes in the ordinance. She added landlords appreciated the information from
police and the relationship with police as well.
Councilmember Harris stated the flow of information from police seems to be a loss for
property managers and landlords. She asked if there is another mechanism for this information
to be conveyed to them. Chief Harcey stated the current ordinance prescribes when police
provide information to landlords, so he would need to know what the community expects of
the police on this issue, and when police should provide information if it is not prescribed by
the ordinance.
Councilmember Harris stated this is an opportunity to recognize what level of service the city
wants police to respond to and what level of interaction police should take in order to create a
peaceful society. She feels it is time to shift from asking police to help with renter disputes .
Ms. Schnitker explained the provisional license provides a tool for the city to address properties
where there are some challenges. She stated the provisional license has only been applied one
time in the city and because of the relationship with the community liaison officer, situations
did not rise to that level.
Councilmember Harris noted that Richfield has a nuisance fine for rentals and owner-occupied
issues and asked if that could be included in the provisional license process. Ms. Schnitker
stated this could be explored in a future ordinance.
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Councilmember Mohamed asked why tenants were not involved when the ordinance was
developed. Mayor Spano stated he spoke to some who were involved in the creation of the
ordinance and no renters were part of the discussion as it was put together in response to an
intransigent property owner, and they were working to get this under control.
Councilmember Mohamed stated last week the council discussed systemic racism and
unintended consequences, and this policy seems to be the epitome o f that. She continued to
state it affects renters, which are disproportionately people of color. Councilmember Mohamed
stated this ordinance does not give tenants the right to appeal and she emphasized she is
against having this ordinance in St. Louis Park as it is not racially equitable. It needs to be
changed and dismantled, especially considering all that is currently going on. She continued,
stating this needs to be a private agreement between renter and owner and should not fall
under the purview of the police. Councilmember Mohamed stated St. Louis Park is an inclusive
and safe city and should provide for residents on an equitable level. She stated she will support
option B.
Councilmember Kraft also noted the article from the American Constitutional Society provided
by Ms. Dobson. He stated the point about our criminal justice system has racism in it and then
to tie the housing system into the criminal justice system is not appropriate and does not make
sense. Councilmember Kraft stated, however, this is not to say he does not appreciate the work
of Chief Harcey and the police but noted there are fundamental flaws in the larger system, and
Chief Harcey is aware of this. He added in speaking with some folks involved with problem
landlords, hearing of problems, and of some positives that happened, he challenged staff to
look at what outcomes are wanted here, and to reimagine this relationship between the city
and landlords. He appreciates also the recommendations on the provisional licenses and asked
that more be done here also to get to the outcomes wanted – safe and equitable housing. He
added the positives that happened should be looked at and set up within the framework of the
new system.
Councilmember Brausen stated he appreciates all the thoughts on this difficult topic, adding his
wife is a landlord in the city. He believes housing is a fundamental right for everyone, and that
safe, decent housing is what this ordinance tried to create, but it did not work, had unintended
consequences, and contributed to racial systemic issues. He stated he is in favor of option B and
would like to have landlords trained to recognize mental health issues, criminal activity, when
to call police, along with racial equity training around housing.
Councilmember Rog asked how staff sees training being modified going forward. Ms. Schnitker
stated staff will expand training to cover additional areas that have not been part of training in
the past, and would work to have collaboration between police, housing staff, and building and
energy and racial equity staff to create a comprehensive training program.
Councilmember Rog added that Minnesota legal aid and other housing experts would be of
great value to the training. She suggested staff also look at the provisional license and apply it
to all rental properties, not just multi-family. Councilmember Rog added the conditions
property managers previously relied on should be put into their rental agreements, and the city
should require that all landlords have a written lease.
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Ms. Dobson stated these are all great ideas to consider and highly recommended.
Mayor Spano stated staff will need to investigate training around mental illness for landlords.
He noted the origin of the ordinance was because 1 or 2 property owners were not addressing
criminal activities on their properties, but now this feels like it’s become a regular part of our
housing policy, with no renter input. Mayor Spano stated the power of police is dependent on
the public, and while the police are not perfect, it feels like this policy was formed without the
input of those who were subjected to it. He stated the city puts many demands on the police
department, but they are not mental health professionals. He stated he was supportive of
option B.
Mayor Spano invited the workgroup members to make final comments.
Ms. Schroeder stated again her property manager cares about each tenant, and if there is an
issue at her building, they do not call police first – they call the property manager. She stated
she prefers, if a building has 20 or more units, there should be a property manager that resides
onsite so they can keep an eye on the property and validate if police need to be involved.
Ms. Albright thanked everyone for their comments, adding renters need to lift their voices,
noting that as much as a policy can be created with dignity and value, renters can still feel lower
and denigrated. She continued by stating that everyone must be mindful of this and work to
bring more dignity as these are the renters’ homes.
Mr. Gamradt stated there is racism within policing, and we must be mindful there is also racism
in the community and police still need to respond to calls even if they are not the source. He
stated the city does not have required leases, but this must be put in place, along with requiring
them to have a notification exception for domestic violence or public safety issues. He stated if
this is required, and if there are a certain number of contacts on the building, police can then
let landlords know how many are happening in their buildings. He added renters should be put
on notice and know their rights.
Ms. Onsuma stated she is an immigrant from Kenya, adding it was very hard moving from her
home and making another place feel like home. She stated St. Louis Park is welcoming, but if
someone feels threatened, this is a problem. She stated everyone needs a place to call home,
and if law enforcement is called on a renter, it is scary and makes life hard and unbearab le. She
continued this ordinance makes renters feel like this is not home, and it creates stress and
mental issues. She stated she would love to see help for these renters, instead of kicking them
out, and this ordinance has kicked out renters for things s omeone else did. She added she has
been happy to be a part of this group, to review the ordinance, and help work on good
interaction between tenant and landlord.
It was the consensus of the council to support option B as presented by the workgroup. The
ordinance will be repealed, and the provisional license portion will be kept in place for now, and
staff will come back with recommendations on that.
2. Future study session agenda planning and prioritization
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Ms. Deno noted for the June 15, 2020 meeting, Dave Moll from Redpath will be presenting the
yearly audit results. She added at the June 22, 2020 meeting, there will be updates on COVID,
city financials, and capital debt.
Councilmember Mavity asked about the yearly stormwater plan and if this will be discussed
soon at one of the June meetings seeing the report is due on June 30, 2020. Ms. Deno stated
she will follow up on this and get back to council.
Councilmember Mavity added considering tonight’s conversation, it might be a good time to
revisit city policing practices and data. Ms. Deno stated staff is looking into this and is not
waiting for the state to move ahead on this topic. She noted this will be on the agenda again
soon.
Councilmember Harris asked if it might be helpful to partner with Discover St. Louis Park and
request that city businesses require masks be worn, especially for those with underlying health
conditions or those over 65 years old. She stated this would be a proactive approach and asked
staff to research this. Councilmember Harris stated she would encourage health and human
services enforce this vs. police. Ms. Deno stated she will have staff look into this.
Councilmember Rog stated she would like an update on city engineering projects.
Mayor Spano stated he would like a broader policing discussion and whole new conversations
on this soon. He added he asked Mr. Harmening to set up a tour for council at the now almost
completed Westwood Hills Nature Center. Ms. Deno stated staff will follow up and figure out
how to do a tour following government restrictions related to public gatherings.
Councilmembers Kraft and Mohamed stated they will be proposing a couple items for study
sessions regarding policing issues in the next few days. Councilmember Kraft stated they want
to discuss immediate harm reduction and outcomes-based information.
Councilmember Brausen stated he would not want to go through another 10-hour policing
policy discussion and asked if staff can assist the new councilmembers with their questions and
concerns.
Councilmember Brausen added today was supposed to be the ribbon cutting ceremony for the
new nature center. He stated an email from staff on the status of the construction and when
the center might be open to the public would be helpful, along with when the old structure is
set to be torn down.
Councilmember Brausen referenced the written report about the billboard ordinance and
stated he is not interested and is against electronic billboards.
Councilmember Rog agreed and stated changing the ordinance and allowing more billboards
does not seem to be in the public interest at all.
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Mayor Spano agreed stating at some point he hopes billboards will not be a good source of
advertising.
Councilmember Kraft agreed, but stated he has seen some billboards turned into solar power
which helped put solar power back into the grid.
The meeting adjourned at 9:12 p.m.
Written Reports provided and documented for recording purposes only:
3. Update – PLACE’s Via project – mechanic’s lien
4. Billboard ordinance and policy
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Melissa Kennedy, city clerk Jake Spano, mayor
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