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PLANNING COMMISSION
ST. LOUIS PARK, MINNESOTA
SEPTEMBER 5, 2018 — 6:00 p.m.
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
MEMBERS PRESENT: Claudia Johnston -Madison, Jessica Kraft, Lisa Peilen,
Carl Robertson, Joe Tatalovich, Alanna Franklin (youth member)
MEMBERS ABSENT: Lynne Carper (excused), Matt Eckholm (unexcused)
STAFF PRESENT: Sean Walther, Gary Morrison, Jennifer Monson
1. Call to Order— Roll Call
2. Approval of Minutes of August 1, 2018
Commissioner Peilen made a motion to approve the minutes. Commissioner
Tatalovich seconded the motion, and the motion passed on a vote of 5-0.
3. Public Hearings
A. Zoning ordinance amendment — educational facilities in the R-4 Zoning
District
Applicant: Yeshiva of Minneapolis
Case No.: 18-39-ZA
Gary Morrison, Assistant Zoning Administrator, presented the staff report.
Yeshiva of Minneapolis, 3115 Ottawa Ave. S., is requesting an amendment to the
zoning ordinance to allow dormitories at schools located in the R-4 Multiple -
Family Residence district. He provided background on the high school and
dormitories. He discussed the anticipated expansion to the facilities. He
explained that proposed improvements will require several zoning applications.
The first step would be to amend the zoning ordinance to increase the maximum
number of students allowed to live at the school. Mr. Morrison reviewed
proposed conditions to the amendment.
Commissioner Peilen asked about parking.
Mr. Morrison said parking would be located along the south of the property,
across the street in an existing parking lot, and in the back of the school. He said
parking required for a school is based on teachers in classrooms. A higher
formula is required for a high school. However, students are not allowed to
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have cars at Yeshiva. Mr. Morrison added that parking could be reviewed in
depth with the future applications that come forward.
Chair Robertson asked about R4 zoning adjacent to the site.
Mr. Morrison stated there is RC high density multiple family to the west, R3 to
the north and east, and the Belt Line development area to the south.
Commissioner Johnston -Madison asked Mr. Morrison for a map showing the
area.
Mr. Morrison presented a zoning map indicating the zoning of the parcel and
adjacent properties.
Commissioner Johnston -Madison asked what would happen if Yeshiva chose to
change the rules to allow cars.
Mr. Morrison responded the applicant would then have to come forward to
amend the conditional use permit, as this is included as a condition of the
approval.
Shlomo Kutoff, dean and founder, Yeshiva of Minneapolis, spoke about the
school's growth. He said they have no intention of allowing students to have
cars. He said it would be a tremendous addition if they could house more
students. Mr. Shlomo stated the school currently has 45 out-of-town students
that are housed at the site and 35 local students.
Chair Robertson opened the public hearing. As no one was present wishing to
speak, he closed the public hearing.
The Chair said he was comfortable that the planned proposal would not be spot
zoning.
Commissioner Peilen made a motion recommending approval of the zoning
ordinance amendment pertaining to education facilities in the R-4 Multiple -
Family Residence as recommended by staff. Commissioner Tatalovich seconded
the motion, and the motion passed on a vote of 5-0.
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B. Zoning ordinance regarding home occupations
Applicant: City of St. Louis Park
Sean Walther, Planning and Zoning Supervisor, presented the staff report. He
stated that the city council directed staff to explicitly prohibit firearm sales as a
home occupation. He discussed the home occupation land use description
currently in the zoning code. He explained the purpose of the proposed
amendment is to clarify that the rules apply to both for-profit and not-for-profit
home occupations and to also explicitly prohibit certain additional home
occupational uses. He stated those uses include firearm sales, currency
exchange, payday loan agency, sexually -oriented business and high impact
sexually oriented businesses. All of these uses are currently required to be
separated from residential uses when located in a commercial district.
Chair Robertson and Mr. Walther discussed the difference between a firearm
sale and a retail sale.
Commissioner Peilen asked about a ban on retail sales. She said there are any
number of women's clothing lines that are sold in the home. She described
these sales as occurring approximately four times a year. Samples are shipped
back to the retailer and items purchased are shipped directly to the customer.
Mr. Walther said the type of activity as described by Commissioner Peilen is not
prohibited.
Commissioner Johnston -Madison said many multi-level marketing businesses are
run out of homes. Product is being stored in homes. She said she didn't think
those businesses could be construed as retail sales.
Commissioner Johnston -Madison asked city council's intent in prohibiting
firearm sales as a home occupation.
Mr. Walther responded it came up when council asked how the city currently
regulates firearm sales and where they are permitted.
Commissioner Johnston -Madison asked if any Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs)
are selling firearms from their homes today in St. Louis Park.
Mr. Walther stated he believed there are approximately six current FFLs
operating as home occupations at this time.
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Commissioner Johnston -Madison noted for the record that she didn't appreciate
some of the wording in the emails received from the public on the proposed
amendment. She asked about the procedure of licensing.
Mr. Walther said he doesn't know all the details of how the licenses are issued.
He said the zoning division is asked whether or not that use is allowed in the
zoning ordinance. That is asked initially when a license is being obtained and
again when it is renewed. The zoning division is asked if the FFL meets the local
regulations.
The Chair said he would like more definition about firearm sales as a primary
home occupation or as a related home occupation like gunsmith. He said
sometimes gunsmiths will make a sale of a custom item that was manufactured
on site.
Mr. Walther said the city will have to look at every case individually. He said he
doesn't believe gunsmith would meet current regulations for home occupations.
He added that conditions for home occupations as an accessory use in each
district are noted in the zoning code.
Chair Robertson said with gunsmith there seems to be a gray area that a firearm
might be produced off site but modified on site. He went on to say this is a
complex item and he doesn't have enough information such as wording and
definitions to feel comfortable voting on the item. He suggested holding the
public hearing and tabling the vote.
Commissioner Johnston -Madison said she agreed. She said she doesn't have
enough information and also wants background information on why this is being
proposed.
Mr. Walther asked the commission to provide him with specific questions.
Commissioner Peilen said she would not vote to table. She said she doesn't
think guns have any business being sold in private residences.
The Chair said he would like to sit down with the six FFLs and see how they do
business. He said he doesn't see the purpose of the extra proposed step.
Mr. Walther said there are approximately six FFL holders that operate as a home
occupation. He's spoken with one FFL holder who primarily does internet sales of
collector antique firearms. He explained how the proposed amendment would
limit new future home occupations.
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Chair Robertson said he sees zero issue with this and doesn't see why it should
be prohibited.
Commissioner Kraft asked what surrounding cities are doing about this.
Mr. Walther responded it varies from city to city. Conditions are similar but
there are differences in each city. He added that the city attorney attended the
city council study session where the issue was discussed and the attorney's
opinion is that cities can place reasonable limits upon firearm sales, including the
proposed zoning code amendment.
Chair Robertson opened the public hearing.
Rob Doar, political director and vice president of MN Gun Owners Caucus, 716
County Hwy. 10, Minneapolis, distributed his letter opposing the proposed
ordinance to the commission. He said commissioners' questions were good.
He said the question of why is important as state statute specifically protects
firearms dealers, and requires that any ordinances to be enacted be reasonable,
non -arbitrary and non-discriminatory. He stated there has to be a very
significant justification of why the ordinance would be enacted.
Mr. Doar said the major function of FFLs is firearm transfers. He said FFLs have
to renew their license every three years which includes a federal inspection. He
said many gunsmiths are often FFL dealers. He stated the vast majority of FFL
dealers sell at gun shops and gun shows and are not handling customer traffic at
their front doors. Mr. Doar said there are important distinctions of the functions
of what FFL dealers do that go beyond the scope of the intent of retail sales. He
said prohibiting those functions would be discriminatory and arbitrary.
Mr. Walther noted that email correspondence opposing the proposed
amendment and comments on 2nd amendment rights had been received and
distributed to the commission at the beginning of the meeting. Email
correspondence opposing the ordinance was received from David H. Anderson,
Robert J. De brey, Ryan Daniels, James Guertin, Taylor Jones, Kevin S., Thomas
Knute, Marc Olivier, Matthew Race, Rocky Vandal and James Allison, 5639
Nicollet Ave., Mpls. Emails were received by city staff after 3:30 p.m. on
September 5, 2018.
The Chair closed the public hearing as no one else was present wishing to speak.
Chair Robertson stated he understands the logic of separating gun sales from
neighborhoods, but a retail gun sale with transfer is different. This kind of
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firearm sale is already separated from the neighborhood. He said he wouldn't
vote to approve the amendment as it seems discriminatory and he doesn't see
that there is an issue. He said his understanding is that the federal regulations
are pretty strict and guns aren't being sold out the door. He added that to force
someone to rent an office space to do their business is burdensome and he isn't
comfortable with it.
Commissioner Peilen said she isn't comfortable with storage and distribution of
guns from homes.
Commissioner Johnston -Madison remarked that she wants to receive more
information. She wants a good reason for the amendment that is definable and
explainable. She stated she wants facts. She referenced a gun study in one of
the emails. Commissioner Johnston -Madison said she'd like to see the item
tabled.
The Chair asked Commissioner Franklin, youth member, for her thoughts about
gun issues.
Commissioner Franklin responded that students are scared. She said students
aren't fully educated about this issue. She said the ones who are fully educated
about the issue are speaking up about their fears. She said she would like to
know more about the proposed amendment.
Commissioner Tatalovich stated that none of the emails received appeared to
come from St. Louis Park residents.
Commissioner Tatalovich made a motion recommending tabling the request. He
added that his opinion on this subject is much closer to Commissioner Peilen's.
Commissioner Johnston -Madison seconded the motion, and the motion to table
passed on a vote of 4-1 (Peilen opposed).
In summary, the Chair requested information on what the city is trying to fix and
if there is an issue to be addressed. Commissioner Johnston -Madison asked to
know why the council is recommending this and if there are any studies that we
should be aware of. Commissioner Peilen added that details regarding home
based sales need to be developed.
Mr. Walther asked commissioners in clarifying the ordinance broader restrictions
on retail sales if they wanted it to be more restrictive or less restrictive than the
current rules.
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The Chair responded it needs to be more defined.
Commissioner Tatalovich spoke about finding a certain threshold the city should
be looking at in terms of home occupations and retail sales.
Commissioner Peilen said a lot of people could be put out of business so a
greater definition of what is allowed and what isn't allowed needs to be
determined.
4. Other business
5. Communications
Mr. Walther discussed the adoption of the moratorium on the former Sam's Club
property at 3745 Louisiana Avenue for the purpose of reviewing land use and
zoning regulations for property. He discussed changes for the property which
are proposed in the 2040 Comprehensive Plan.
He noted that the next Planning Commission meeting will be held on October 3,
2018.
6. Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 7:00 p.m.
Study Session — Tour
The regular meeting was followed by a study session tour of AC Hotel by Marriott, 5075
Wayzata Boulevard, and a walking tour of the West End to observe window
transparency examples and pedestrian scale amenities.
The tour was adjourned at 8:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Nancy Sells
Recording Secretary