HomeMy WebLinkAbout2008/09/22 - ADMIN - Minutes - City Council - Study Session 7 St. Louis Park OFFICIAL MINUTES
MINNESOTA CITY COUNCIL STUDY SESSION
SEPTEMBER 22, 2008
The meeting convened at 6:30 p.m.
Councilmembers present: Mayor Pro Tern Sue Sanger, John Basill, C. Paul Carver, Phil Finkelstein,
Paul Omodt and Loran Paprocki.
Council members absent: Mayor Jeff Jacobs.
Staff present: City Manager (Mr. Harmening), Communications Coordinator (Mr. Zwilling), Director
of Inspections (Mr. Hoffman), Housing Program Coordinator (Ms. Larsen), Planning/Zoning
Supervisor (Ms. McMonigal), Mark Oestrich (Westwood Hills Nature Center Manager).and Recording
Secretary (Ms. Larrea).
Guests: Mark Wegner (President, Twin Cities &Western Railroad Company), Bob Suko (General
Manager of Operations, Twin Cities &Western Railroad Company) and Jim Brimeyer.
1. Future Study Session Agenda Planning -- October 6, October 13 and October 14,
2008
Mr. Harmening presented the staff report.
Councilmember Finkelstein will be absent but would like to participate via teleconference for the
study session of October 13, 2008.
Councilmember Paprocki noted that at an upcoming study session he would like to discuss land
sales money. Mr. Harmening responded that this item will be on the agenda sometime in October
or November 2008.
Mr. Harmening noted that the Surface Water Management Plan Update scheduled for discussion
during the October 13, 2008 study session may be able to be put into a report. He is looking into
this.
Mr. Harmening requested a special study session for Tuesday, October 14, 2008 in order to discuss
financing plans for upcoming significant capital projects
It was the consensus of the Council to not have a special study session on October 14 and requested
that the City Manager fit in the discussion on capital project funding as part of regular study sessions
by rescheduling other items.
2. Twin Cities & Western Railroad Officials — Update to Council
Mr. Wegner from Twin Cities Western Railroad (TCW) presented to the Council regarding the
operation plans for their short-line railroad. He updated the Council on the Glencoe Railroad
Switchyard in regards the affects on St. Louis Park.
Study Session Minutes -2- September 22, 2008
Councilmember Omodt questioned what assurance they would have that railcars would no longer be
sorted in St. Louis Park if they contributed money to have it moved. Mr. Wegner responded that
they did not have a want or a need to sort within the City. It is inefficient and is only done now
because it is necessary but they would not be able to guarantee that they would never need to sort in
the City again.
Councilmember Omodt questioned what they thought that the project would cost. Mr. Harmening
responded that they are pricing the project at about$3 million dollars.
Councilmember Finkelstein asked what the annual revenues of TCW were. Mr. Wagner answered
that they are privately owned and stated that it would take them a significant amount of time to pay
for this project alone. Councilmember Finkelstein asked what they would do if they couldn't get the
money from Washington. Mr. Wegner responded that they would continue to operate the way that
they currently are.
Councilmember Sanger asked if they continued to operate the way they currently are what they
foresee in their growth of operations. Mr. Wegner responded that they anticipate two trains a day
that they would have to sort. They will have to change their hours of operation when LRT comes.
There will be more sorting.
Councilmember Paprocki asked if the funding was approved if TCW would agree that those rails
used for sorting would no longer be needed. Mr. Wegner stated that he couldn't say much because
they don't own the rails. Mr. Suko stated that a $3million yard is not going to accommodate all of
the cars and they would still likely have to use those rails in some way.
Councilmember Paprocki questioned what TCW would do if St. Louis Park told them they would
only commit to funding if TCW agreed to no longer storing cars in St. Louis Park and no longer
switching and sorting cars in St. Louis Park. Mr. Wegner responded that they would walk away
from the project and continue operations as they are. Councilmember Paprocki questioned what
they would do if they were allowed to store cars but not sort cars. Mr. Wegner responded that they
couldn't agree to never having cars switched and sorted in St. Louis Park but they could consider no
more then 5% sorting in a given year.
Mr. Harmening stated that staff is interested in the Council's view of how to move forward on this
topic.
Councilmember Carver noted that as long as the tracks are on the ground someone else is going to
want to make use of them. He feels that it would solve the problem for now, but they need to look
at how beneficial it would be in the long run.
Councilmember Basill said what they need to look at is that this is an opportunity to get rid of the
sorting of rail cars. He noted that the City is never going to get rid of the storage of cars in St. Louis
Park.
Councilmember Paprocki stated that the real problem is sorting, the loud noise and the clanging of
the cars.
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Mr. Harmening stated that what he was hearing from this discussion is that there is not a likelihood
of discontinuing the storage of cars in St. Louis Park but that it may be possible to create a deal to
allow TCW to do sorting on a limit basis within the City with a limit of 5% per year. Council
indicated they would want to have an agreement with TCW that provided an understanding what
the limits would be as part of the Glencoe project
2. Southwest Transit Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) Update
Ms. McMonigal presented to the Council regarding the Southwest Transit Draft Environmental
Impact Statement (DEIS). The DEIS scoping meetings will be held in October. It is the City's
chance to bring forth issues for study.
Councilmember Sanger feels that the question facing the Council is what issues associated with the
Southwest Transit need to be addressed environmentally. This includes traffic that is crossing
streets, noise, the possibility of traffic being routed north and south trains traveling directly behind
the high school, as well as other issues.
Councilmember Sanger and Mr. Brimeyer discussed the memo that was sent to the Policy Advisory
Committee (PAC). They would like the Hennepin County Regional Rail Authority (HCRRA) to
consider both light and heavy rail in the Kenilworth corridors, possibly by moving or elevating the
bike trail. They identified the issues of noise; the "Y" in the tracks; train sorting noise; traffic
crossings, congestion that will occur with cars, rail and the ped/bike trail; rail near the Senior High;
and grade separating the rail, trail and roadways.
Councilmember Finkelstein would like to know how close they are to getting light rail in the City.
Mr. Brimeyer responded that St. Louis Park is next in line.
Mr. Harmening stated that the Council now has an opportunity to add language to the Draft
Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS).
Councilmember Sanger has spoken to someone from the County regarding the potential bottleneck
issue on the rail track and they have suggested hiring a consultant to survey the area.
Councilmember Sanger raised the question to the Council if there was anything that should be
added to the DEIS.
Councilmember Paprocki noted that in the report they mentioned a whistle quiet zone.
Councilmember Basill noted that if they want to have a bike and light rail line they would likely
have to provide some sort of an alternative north/south connection.
Councilmember Sanger added that there is one environmental issue that was not included in the
DEIS, which is the issue of parking for the light rail. She questioned where people taking the light
rail are going to park their vehicles and the environmental impact this could have. She noted that it
is an environmental issue for the neighborhoods.
Study Session Minutes -4- September 22, 2008
The Council asked staff to prepare a written statement to submit for the scoping process and asked
City Manager Harmening to present at the October 14 scoping meeting.
Ms. McMonigal stated that the staff would like to do two sessions of visioning with a representative
group of Council, Planning Commission, neighbors and business owners regarding this issue. She
asked for permission from the Council to move forward with these meetings which was granted.
3. Vision St. Louis Park Strategic Direction/Focus Area Update -- Working in areas such
as the rehab loan program, development projects, permits etc.; encourage (and provide
incentives where appropriate) green building design (LEED), creation of open spaces,
environmental innovations, etc.
Mr. Hoffman presented to the Council regarding the rehab loan program, development projects,
permits, ideas to encourage green project design, creation of open spaces, and environmental
innovations. Staff had several recommendations as far as how to move forward with these projects
and was looking for feedback from the Council.
Councilmember Paprocki is not in agreement with requiring green roofs. He feels that there are
other "bread and butter" type items, such as increasing insulation that would better serve the City
and its residents.
Councilmember Omodt commented that it is possible that the City s going to be dealing with
sustainability issues like people raising chickens and having "Victory Gardens." He doesn't want to
overlook the possibility of addressing residents raising small livestock. He noted that the movement
toward sustainability is a trend and is coming.
Councilmember Paprocki noted that you have to look at the repercussions even with items such as
composting.
Councilmember Sanger has a problem that there is not a goal for open space. She asked if there is an
area that they are still looking at for the open space.
Ms. Larsen noted that the West End project incorporates open space and Mr. Harmening noted that
Excelsior & Grand is evidence of planning that includes open space.
Mr. Hoffman answered that they were looking at how it would fit into future rezoning but they have
not looked at a specific area. Councilmember Sanger asked that staff would further look into the
prospect of open space. Ms. Larsen answered that it could be included in the GreenStar Initiative.
Councilmember Sanger noted that the City should look into upcoming projects where they may be
able to introduce a "green" aspect. She noted that the City should be the leader in implementing
green building/design. That the city should "walk the walk" and have green buildings if we expect
others to.
Study Session Minutes -5- September 22, 2008
Mr. Harmening noted that it may be a possible to use Geo-Thermal in the new fire stations. He
noted that this would mean a greater cost in the front end.
Ms. Larsen noted that the City's green remodeling pilot program provides models to residents as to
how they can make "green" changes and what type of a saving they would see. They will be trying
different "green alternatives" in some St. Louis Park homes in order to get real data and numbers. It
will give residents information as far as how cost effective making these changes would be.
Mr. Hoffman noted that most homes are not insulated to the degree that they could be or are using
high efficiency furnaces. There is a lot of potential for energy savings with these types of functions.
Councilmember Paprocki noted that items like insulation really have a pay off and will continue to
pay off.
It was the consensus of the Council to move forward with the recommendations presented by staff.
4. Vision St. Louis Park Strategic Direction/Focus Area Update -- Educating staff and the
public on environmental consciousness, stewardship and best practices
Mr. Zwilling presented to the Council regarding how they are working on educating the staff and
the public on environmental consciousness and stewardship. The staff has stepped up Park
Perspective by highlighting different green programs. The staff has also recommended utilizing
strategic marketing to get people to visit the Westwood Hills Nature Center. Mr. Zwilling stated
that he felt that there is a real need to educate the community in this area and support the nature
center.
Mr. Zwilling asked the Council for feedback if they are in support of the marketing and if they feel
that it is a worthwhile endeavor.
Councilmember Carver stated that he agrees 100% with the plan they have presented. He noted
that he would like the opportunity to spread out the marketing throughout the community.
Councilmember Paprocki noted that he feels that the City is missing out on a huge demographic.
He doesn't want to market this to the people who already know about it. He wants to pitch it to
people who don't know about it. He feels it would be worthwhile to target the marketing at kids
because parents will accompany their children. Councilmember Finkelstein noted that there is a
large percentage of residents who do not have children and that we should market to residents who
don't have children.
Councilmember Carver felt that it was an opportune time to talk to the schools. The Westwood
Hill Nature Center could be a good introduction to science by using interactive learning.
It was the consensus of the Council to move forward with the plan presented by staff.
Study Session Minutes -6- September 22, 2008
5. City Manager's 2008 Performance Evaluation
City Manager Harmening presented the staff report regarding how best to evaluate the City
Manager's performance.
It was the consensus of the Council to further explore using the 360 Program to evaluate the City
Manager's performance.
6. Communications (Verbal)
Mr. Harmening stated that Mr. Hoffman will be holding a meeting regarding rental licensing for
townhomes and condominiums.
The Cohen brothers will be filming in the City from November 2 — 6, 2008 and are looking for a
place to erect a tent. Carpenter Park is currently an option.
On October 7, 2008 there will be a Historical Preservative Commission meeting held.
Mr. Harmening noted that Suburban Plumbing Supply was required by contract to take down their
billboard by 2008. They have now resigned their lease with Clear Chanel.
Councilmember Sanger noted that on October 16, 2008 the Rotary is holding a dinner.
Councilmember Sanger has tickets for sale and will also be collecting donation items for an auction.
The meeting adjourned at 9:40 p.m.
Written Reports provided and documented for recording purposes only:
7. Parks & Recreation Advisory Commission Mid-Year Update
8. August 2008 Monthly Financial Report
9. Comcast Franchise Fee Audit for 2005, 2006 &-2007
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