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ST. LOUIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING
PARK ST. LOUIS PARK, MINNESOTA
November 15, 2004
1. Call to Order
Councilmember Sanger called the meeting to order at 7:44 pm.
Council members present: John Basill, Phil Finkelstein, Paul Omodt, Susan Sanger and Sue Santa.
Council members absent: Mayor Jeff Jacobs and Sally Velick
Staff present City Manager(Mr. Harmening), City Attorney (Mr. Scott), Community
Development Director(Mr Locke), Director of Inspections (Mr. Hoffman), Environmental Health
Official (Mr. Camilon), Human Resources Director(Ms. Gohman), Planning Coordinator (Ms
Enckson) and Recording Secretary (Ms. Stegora-Peterson)
2. Presentations - None
3. Approval of Minutes
3a. City Council Minutes of November 1, 2004
Councilmember Sanger noted on page three, Mr. Hoffman replied to a question from Ms
Burton about the number of rental units. The number should be 780 and not 7,780
It was moved by Councilmember Santa, seconded by Councilmember Basill, to approve
the minutes as corrected.
3b. Study Session Minutes of October 25, 2004
Councilmember Basill indicated on page three, in the third paragraph, ", if we are not
willing to continue the lease at the same cost He would be fine with extension at the
same cost " should be inserted at the end after, "...are managed".
It was moved by Councilmember Omodt, seconded by Councilmember Santa, to approve
the minutes as corrected.
4. Approval of Agenda and Items on Consent Calendar
NOTE The Consent Calendar lists those items of business which are considered to be routine and/or which need no
discussion Consent items are acted upon by one motion If discussion is desired by either a Councilmember or a
member of the audience,that item may be moved to an appropriate section of the regular agenda for discussion
4a Approve 2nd reading and adopt Ordinance No. 2283-04 amending Chapter 30 of the
St Louis Park Municipal Code Regarding Parking Distance from Dnveways and
Alleys and Self-propelled Wheeled Devices, approve summary ordinance and
authonze publication.
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4b Adopt Resolution No. 04-135 approving continued participation in the League of
Minnesota Cities Insurance Trust (LMCIT) for Workers Compensation Coverage
effective December 1, 2004
4c Accept for filing the Planning Commission Minutes of September 1, 2004
4d Adopt Resolution No. 04-136 authorizing final payment to BCG Construction,
Inc. for completion of Park Commons Sidewalk and Street Lighting Work
4e Adopt Resolution No. 04-137 accepting this report, establishing and ordenng
Water Treatment Plant Improvement Project No. 20041300A, approving plans
and specifications, and authorizing advertisement for bids.
4f Motion to accept Vendor Claims for filing (Supplement)
4g Approve Resolution No. 04-138 for a Minor Amendment to the existing Special
Permit for property located at 5775 Wayzata Blvd to amend the approved site
plan by adding a paved drive lane for parking a mobile diagnostic trailer. Case
Nos. 04-58-CUP
4h Adopt Resolution No. 04-139 affirming Council's plan to move forward in
partnership with the City of Golden Valley for delivery of public safety dispatch
services for the Cities of St. Louis Park and Golden Valley
Mr. Harmening requested item 8d be moved to the first item of discussion under item eight
It was moved by Councilmember Santa, seconded by Councilmember Finkelstein, to approve the
Agenda and items listed on the Consent Calendar.
The motion passed 5-0.
6. Public Hearings - None
7. Requests, Petitions, and Communications from the Public—None
8. Resolutions, Ordinances,Motions
8d. Establishing employer contribution for city sponsored benefits program for
2005. Resolution No. 04-140
Ms. Gohman presented the report.
Councilmember Basill asked if it was an HAS and not an HRA? Ms. Gohman replied the
product they were putting into place would not be taxable under the Minnesota State Tax
Code presently. It was a VEBA under the specific IRS and State codes.
Councilmember Omodt asked what this did for the budget for 2005/2006? Mr. Harmening
replied the dollars necessary to fund the program had been accounted for in the budget.
Councilmember Omodt asked what the percent increase was? Ms. Gohman responded
that the full budgeted amount was $210,000 for increases With this plan design, they
would use $155,000 out of$210,000.
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It was moved by Councilmember Santa, seconded by Councilmember Omodt, to adopt
Resolution No. 04-140 setting benefit levels effective January 1, 2005.
Councilmember Sanger complimented staff on negotiating health insurance rates that
were not going up
The motion passed 5-0.
8a. Request of Foundation Land LLC and Master Development LLC (St. Louis
Park School District) for Preliminary and Final PUD approval for Brookside
School Lofts and Preliminary and Final Plat approval for "Brookside". Case
Nos. 04-52-PUD and 04-57-S. Resolution No. 04-133
Ms. Enckson presented the staff report.
Councilmember Basill indicated the report stated that Master Development was planning
on selling the five single-family homes for development. What kind of controls would
they have when that came through concerning the design and make-up of the homes?
They had made a decision to rezone it and include the five homes with the desire to have
move-up single-family homes with three and four bedrooms. He wanted to be sure that
was what they ended up with? Ms. Enckson replied that a development agreement was
required for this development. As part of the development agreement, they were
requesting covenants that would be placed on the property before it was sold that would
include those minimum requirements
Councilmember Basill added that they should be designed consistent with the character
of the neighborhood. Ms. Enckson noted that provision would also be included.
Councilmember Sanger expressed concern whether they had enough off-street parking to
meet the needs of the condominium residents and the five new homes. Ms. Enckson
responded that this met the parking requirements and staff believed there would be
adequate parking for the residents and their guests.
Charlie Ness, Master Development, thanked the staff, Council and neighborhood for their
help on this development. Regarding the architectural covenants, they provided a rough
draft of a document they had gotten from a homeowners association that had houses that
fit into the category of move-up housing and met the architectural covenants They were
working in conjunction with staff to finalize that.
Councilmember Basill indicated in the staff report, page five, there was talk about traffic
in the neighborhood and that was something brought up at the neighborhood meetings.
The decision was made to address those issues separately going forward after the
development was built and to look at where traffic was flowing and if additional stop
signs or sidewalks were needed He wanted to be sure that they didn't lose sight of that.
It was an expectation of the neighborhood that someone would be in touch with them
when this project was complete to see if changes needed to be made. Ms. Enckson
responded that staff had conversations with the President of the neighborhood association
that if some sort of basket weave design for stop signs was desired by the neighborhood,
that the Public Works Department would work with them toward accomplishing that.
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It was moved by Councilmember Basill, seconded by Councilmember Santa, to approve
Resolution No. 04-133 approving Preliminary and Final Plat for "Brookside".
The motion passed 5-0.
It was moved by Councilmember Basill, seconded by Councilmember Omodt, to approve
Resolution No. 04-134 approving Preliminary and Final PUD for Brookside School
Lofts.
The motion passed 5-0.
8b. Second Reading: Proposed Ordinance Amending Chapter 8,Article VIII -
Rental Housing Licensing. Ordinance No. 2282-04
Mr. Hoffman presented the staff report. He noted one of the questions that came up was
about owner-occupied duplexes. There are 102 duplex buildings with about 19% issued
written correspondence to resolve code issues. Staff recommended they be included in
the rental licensing program. This program would also apply to group homes.
William Putnam, 3172 Hillsboro Av S, stated that it had been mentioned that they were
running rental properties as a business. He suggested they give them some options if it is
considered a business, such as allowing them to contract their own garbage company or
allow them to have only one large garage can instead of two little ones. He believed this
wasn't about keeping up a property, it was about hiring more people in the City.
Tom Powers, 2241 Hampshire Av. S, indicated he was a renter. His comments were
based on a discussion with Councilmember Velick who raised concerns about beautifying
the city and a desire to protect high value property. He was concerned that his home be
treated with respect and be free of government agents and unfair taxation and fees He
believed, through his rent, he was paying higher taxes and did not understand why he
should be paying more. He wondered how this program addressed what he presumed
were her concerns about businesses buying property and turning them into rental units
Wouldn't that provide affordable housing for people who couldn't buy homes? There
was also mention of social and economic issues, which he thought would be better
addressed in a more community oriented venue than licensing. A landlord would be sued
if he did substandard repair that caused any damage to the occupants. He suggested
requiring people to have the utility companies do inspections. He had a problem with
Fourth Amendment violations regarding this He didn't know what threatened people
about renters. It was his opinion if this ordinance was passed, that St. Louis Park had
become a slum and was very arrogant He asked that they consider other ways of
handling these issues and involve renters in the community
Gary Berscheid, 1604 Blackstone, stated that his tenant had lived in his property for 14
years and would have been inspected seven times at probably a cost of$1,000 and he
didn't think she would see much benefit. A statement was made that one reason why
they needed this was that they were not going to have any reoccurrence of the fire at the
University of Minnesota that killed three students. This inspections program would not
stop that fire which was started after a night of drinking and smoking on a couch on the
front porch Regarding deductibility of the $75 on their taxes It only became tax
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deductible when he lost money. There was a statement about rental properties paying
very little taxes, he had his tax statements and for an estimated market value of$145,000,
he paid $1700/year in taxes. On $166,000, he paid $1951/year. There was an exception
for family-occupied properties that was dropped. His daughter lived in one of his units,
yet her house had to be inspected. He would like that to be included as an exception. He
was concerned if this program was implemented, that the inspection criteria be clearly
defined. One of the past problems with the point of sales of houses was that different
inspectors had different criteria and it was not clearly defined It would become very
subjective. He would like to see total cost control. If there were multiple problems on
one work order, it could add up. He asked for a policy to handle those situations. The
purpose is to keep up the property, not to bankrupt the owners. If they sold, there would
not be affordable housing or alternative places to rent.
Councilmember Sanger clarified when he spoke about the taxes, the point that was made
at the last meeting wasn't to say that rental properties had no taxes. It was to say that was
a smaller differential between homestead and non-homestead taxes compared with
several years ago when rental properties were taxed at a much higher premium. Mr.
Berscheid believed there was quite a savings for homestead properties.
Councilmember Sanger asked staff to comment on the issue raised regarding the clarity
of what the points upon any property would be inspected. Mr. Hoffman responded that
the inspection that would be done would be the same inspection done at the time a house
was sold, or on an apartment building. They inspect to the International Property
Maintenance Code, as the City had adopted and amended The code says if something
had broken or deteriorated, it had to be fixed. If the'roof was old, it didn't mean it had to
be replaced. At the time where it was leaking or if all of the granular materials had worn
off and you can see the tar paper, then it was a deteriorated roof that had to be replaced.
It would be the same uniform inspection that was currently done for all other properties
under the Property Maintenance Program.
Mr Berscheid stated he had experienced inspections in the 1980's and it was totally
different depending on who they had do the inspection. He would like to see it clarified
in writing and possibly a checklist sent out, so he could go through the property and be on
the "same page" as the inspector. Mr. Hoffman responded that was part of the education
component and something they would want to include. If this were implemented, a list
would be sent out with the application.
Concilmember Finkelstein wanted to be clear that this was primarily a post World War H
suburb with tender homes that took a lot of maintenance and care. In the past there was a
rule that there was supposed to be an inspection any time a rental home had a tenant
change, which was the ruling until 2001. Regrettably that wasn't always observed. Now
when nothing was being done, there were a greater number of rental homes and a
situation where there were twice as many inspection reports on non-owner occupied
homes as were on owner-occupied homes. That was why he supported this as good
stewardship. It was good for tenants and would make them safer. It was good for the
neighborhoods because it would be keeping these homes clean and repaired. It was good
for the community and the landlord by maintaining these properties and maintaining the
real estate values for everyone. He didn't have anything against people that were renters
or landlords, but he thought this was a problem that needed to be "nipped in the bud"
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Councilmember Basill stated that there were comments made about protecting $400,000
homes. The majority of the homes were not $400,000 homes and this was to protect
people that were in one and half story homes as well. He wanted to be sure people were
clear that this was not just to protect certain wards or certain parts of the city, it was to
protect homes throughout the city no matter what their values were. There was a
comment that they were concerned about businesses buying homes and that they wanted
to protect from those businesses. There was some truth that businesses had bought
homes. They wanted to make sure they didn't come in and buy property and not
maintain it for the renters. They wanted the renters to have a good place to live, a safe
place to live and a place that was well maintained. He didn't look at this ordinance as
being anything against renters, it was there to have good housing for them. The majority
of rental units, three or more units, were licensed already. This was the unique group that
was not licensed. He was in support of this ordinance. The only thing he was torn on
was the owner-occupied duplexes. It was easier to reach these landlords and they didn't
have the opportunity to "opt out" and sell to someone else who would possibly buy it and
rent it, they lived in the home. However, the statistics were that they had more
complaints and more letters issued to those particular duplexes.
Councilmember Santa stated that she received several comments from members of the
community. One voice mail was from an individual that believed that all residents and
homeowners in St. Louis Park would be charged for the inspections of rental properties.
It was her understanding that only rental properties, single-family and two-family, were
being charged for their properties Single-family homeowners were not going to be
charged a fee. Mr Hoffman replied that only the units that were being rented and non-
owner occupied would be licensed and inspected and the only ones subject to the fee
Councilmember Santa stated that the second point that was raised was that this was not
something new in the city. The majority of renters in St Louis Park have their homes
inspected. This was just expanding it slightly to include all rental properties. Mr.
Hoffman replied that was correct. 7,000 rental units were currently licensed in 300
buildings or three units and more. This would be the same program, expanded to include
the rented one and two-family units
Councilmember Santa indicated the issue that she received the most feedback on was
from renters wanting to know when this would happen so they didn't have to worry about
retaliation from landlords. When would this go into effect? Mr. Hoffman replied the
ordinance would require the owner of any non-owner occupied property to have a license
by January 1, 2005. If this passed, they would send out correspondence and applications
to the property owners in the next couple of weeks. At that time, they would need to
return the application and the annual fee by January 1st. They would then begin
inspections in early 2005. With the number of units, it may take up to two years to do the
initial inspection on some of the properties. They had not determined a schedule of how
that would happen. If there was a problem with a unit, a tenant could call Inspections to
inform them of any problems.
Councilmember Sanger commented based on the fact that there were twice as many
inspection notices and correspondence that had to go out to those units, compared to
single-family owner-occupied buildings, she was supportive of including that in the
ordinance. In a couple of years, after they had some data regarding how this ordinance
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was working they could review the statistics and see how well it was working and see
whether all aspects of it made sense. She would be supporting this.
It was moved by Councilmember Santa, seconded by Councilmember Finkelstein, to
approve second reading of Ordinance No. 2282-04 amending Chapter 8, Article VIII for
Rental Housing Licensing and set annual license fees to be effective January 1, 2005,
approve the ordinance summary and authorize summary publication.
The motion passed 5-0.
A member of the audience asked if the Councilmembers had seen a list showing the
nature of the complaints on these properties? Councilmember Finkelstein responded that
they had seen a slide show of properties with issues. Councilmember Sanger added that
they were given information that suggested that the types of infractions ranged from very
serious health and safety violations to minor issues and everything in between.
The same audience member expressed amazement that the Council was making a
decision with such a large impact without knowing the nature of the complaints that they
were dealing with. Mr. Camilon indicated that there was a fair share of on-going
complaints that had to do with trash left at the curb. These were the issues that neighbors
complained about regularly to the Council While to some people they seemed trivial, if
you lived next door to that and had animals getting into the trash because they were not
covered, it was an issue.
The same audience member thought the Council was stepping over their bounds without
looking at the seriousness of the information.
Councilmember Omodt stated that they didn't want to put in additional government
regulation where it was not needed. He called the staff and asked about the nature of the
complaints, but didn't need a list to make a determination. The majority of calls that he
received were property complaints. It was not snow shoveling, it was complaints from
renters and non-renters about the appearance of housing and the inside of houses. To
characterize this Council as not doing work and not doing their homework was wrong.
They put a lot of time into this. They have had an inspection program in place for a long
time, but these properties were not included.
Councilmember Basill added that he views houses when he receives complaints. He has
had properties that parked cars in the back yard and created noise issues When
neighbors complain to the owner, the problems can become worse. They also get smaller
complaints as well Mr. Putnam's concern about if there should be two smaller cans
instead of one big one was a valid concern that they should discuss later. He also shared
Mr. Berscheid's concern that they have standards so people knew what they were dealing
with. They were familiar with what was out there and he had visited many sites It
needed to be addressed.
8c. Amendment to St. Louis Park Ordinance Code (Zoning) to eliminate a
requirement prohibiting the City from accepting an application for a PUD (Planned
Unit Development), variance or conditional use permit (CUP) where the application
is not in conformance with the existing Comprehensive Plan land use designation.
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Ms. Enckson presented the staff report.
Councilmember Santa recalled recently several instances where because the Comp Plan
had to be changed first, but no one wanted to look at the Comp Plan before they knew
what was going to go there. The neighbors believed that what they were seeing was a
"done deal" and that there was no option for them to have an impact or to be heard. At
the time it was an unfortunate way to do that and gave the wrong message to the
neighborhood when they were asking for input. She was supporting this amendment.
She had her"druthers" about changing the Comp Plan for a specific site plan when it
could change, but believed in the interest of encouraging neighborhood understanding of
the process and making it more user friendly for everyone, the developer and the
neighbors, that this was a good amendment.
Councilmember Finkelstein stated when they looked at projects like Aquila, Brookside
and Quadion, didn't those go beyond the 120 days? The extra time was useful in getting
more neighborhood involvement and refining the plan. He was worried that they might
lose some flexibility to get more neighborhood involvement.
Mr. Locke responded that several of those projects did go for quite an extended period of
time, but typically those extensions were going on while the Zoning or Comp Plan
amendments were being considered. Frequently the applicant applied for the more
general change of the Comp Plan or the Zoning and as soon as they went to the
neighborhood, the neighbors wanted to know what they really wanted to do. Then things
would stop while the developer went back to show them what they wanted to do. The
process got extended and took longer, but not necessarily became more enlightening or
friendly for the neighbors. If they could have brought the plan in at the very beginning
for those projects, the process would have gone quicker, but the neighborhoods would
have gotten better and timelier information. They could indicate to the developer that
projects were not going to be approved unless they had more time to deal with the
neighborhoods.
Councilmember Basill asked if they wanted to use the "old" route and apply for the
Comp Plan change first, then brought forward the plan, could they do that with this
change? Ms. Erickson replied that this would not mandate that they bring it all together,
but would allow them to do so. Currently, people want to know the traffic impact on a
development. In the PUD process they request a traffic study, but it was not required for
a Comp Plan change. They can't answer the question about the traffic impacts when they
were at the Comp Plan change unless they requested the PUD at the same time. In terms
of giving good information to the neighborhood so they could understand the impacts of
the project, the way it was presently done, they couldn't. The longer a developer had to
hold onto a property, if they had extensions to a purchase agreement, etc , it cost money
A developer would rather do it in as short a time period as they could because land has
holding costs associated with it. One of the things a developer may want to do is find out
what the Planning Commission thought about a project before they made full application.
They were putting a process in place where they would talk about having a neighborhood
meeting before someone came in with an application so that some of the time was in front
of the application process.
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Councilmember Finkelstein indicated they had talked about having a brochure about how
projects work, what the process was and how much time was involved, but he was
womed that this would move things along a lot quicker. It would put pressure on both
the Planning Commission and City Council and he thought in some cases that the delay
had led to a better project because it led to more involvement.
Councilmember Basill asked if someone brought forward a Comp Plan and PUD and
they thought they were OK with the Comp Plan, but the PUD still needed some work,
could they be split at that point and one be approved and the other be delayed? Mr.
Locke replied. If they had both the PUD and a rezoning, there was nothing requiring
them to approve them both. They had to work within the 120 day and 60 day rules. He
didn't want this portrayed as something to make the life of developers easier, it may, but
that wasn't why staff had put this forward. A pnvate entity can apply to rezone a
property or to change the Comprehensive Plan. What drives them to make that kind of
request is if they have a specific project in mind. They are required to ask for the general
change which made a certain amount of logical sense, but what happened was the
neighborhood knew there was a specific project coming and the City and staff got caught
in a credibility gap They were telling them to talk about the general stuff first, but they
were interested in the detail and thought we were trying to hide something from them.
Councilmember Sanger stated she had mixed feelings on this and thought the intent of
what they were trying to accomplish made sense, to be able to consider all of the relevant
pieces of information at once. She had a concern about the 60 day and 120 day
limitations. Proposing that all of these run concurrently, it potentially compressed the
time frame and put them into a position of voting before the process was fully played out
and they had the best possible suggestions for the project. She asked if this could be
modified and design the process to see everything at once if they wanted to show it that
way, but the time frames for the different processes would still run sequentially rather
than concurrently? Mr. Locke replied if they made a valid application, the 60 day clock
began to tick. They didn't have the ability to line those up.
Mr. Scott stated that they controlled the timing when there was a Comp Plan or zoning
amendment involved. If there was a concurrent application and they were at 110 days
and didn't feel they had enough detail on the PUD, they could indicate to the developer
that they had to extend the time or they would deny the Comp Plan amendment In the
area of Comp Plan or rezoning, they had virtually total discretion and there were very few
situations, because it was a legislative decision making process, where they could not
simply say that was "nice" but they chose not the change their Comp Plan or rezone
property. If they got into a situation where they needed more time, unless the developer
wanted to run the nsk of having the Comp Plan or rezoning denied, they would extend
the time. They should never find themselves in a situation where they would be forced to
act, other than to deny a Comp Plan or rezoning.
Councilmember Sanger thought there had been situations when they had been told they
had to vote on a certain date, even though they didn't want to because they were at the
deadline. The option of voting "no" on them wasn't particularly fair either because it
meant if they wanted to reapply, they would have to start the whole process and pay more
fees, and the ordinance said if they had been turned down for some of these, they had to
wait a certain penod of time before they could reapply. She wasn't sure that suited
anyone's purposes to do it that way.
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Mr. Scott stated that he thought the reapplying may just apply to a variance, not a Comp
Plan or rezoning. Secondly, he agreed if the developer decided they wanted an answer
and wouldn't extend the time frame, then they would have to act. In the context of a
Comp Plan or rezoning, they could decide to deny the application because they didn't
have sufficient information to address it.
Councilmember Finkelstein suggested if they were going to have a "fast track" option,
they should have more requirements, such as having the concept plan ready, making sure
the neighborhood had met already and had an opportunity to consider it and be involved.
He thought this should possibly be discussed further at a study session.
Councilmember Basil] clarified this was coming forward because some of the
neighborhood leaders and associations got very nervous when they saw the Council
making a Comp Plan change without a plan. He thought that had value and merit, but he
also understood where Councilmember Finkelstein was coming from and he didn't know
how they struck a balance.
Mr. Scott commented that the typical way this was done was to run the applications
through concurrently From the standpoint of the legal aspect, once they approve the
Comp Plan and the rezoning, they have given up where they had virtually all of the
discretion. From his standpoint, he preferred the City to retain as much discretion as it
could. When they saw the final product, if it fit the criteria generally, but they just didn't
like what they were seeing or the direction the project was going, if they had already
approved the Comp Plan amendment and the rezoning, they had vastly limited their
ability to control the project. If a developer was not willing to extend the time to review
the project because the Council felt that they didn't have enough detail, that raised red
flags and shouldn't happen. They had the ultimate control to deny.
It was moved by Counctlmember Finkelstein, seconded by Councilmember Bastll, to
consider the item at the next study session.
Councilmember Finkelstein believed there were differing viewpoints and this merited
more discussion.
Councilmember Omodt added without the Mayor and Councilmember Velick present, it
would be better for the full Council to discuss
The motion passed 5-0.
9. Communications
Councilmember Finkelstein stated that there was a temporary exhibit at the Minnesota History
Center from the Smithsonian on our American Presidents. They could see everything from the
survey equipment of George Washington to the pajamas of George Harding. He encouraged
people to see this, it would be here until May.
10. Adjournment
The meeting adjourned at 9.22 p.m.
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