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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1987/01/20 - ADMIN - Minutes - City Council - Regular (2) MINUTES 11111 CITY COUNCIL MEETING ST. LOUIS PARK, MINNESOTA January 20, 1987 1 . Call to Order The meeting was called to order by Mayor Lyle Hanks at , 7:37 p.m. 2. Presentations Bruce ' Larson, West Hennepin Human Services Planning Board, gave a brief presentation on House Doctor Program and thanked the City for its support of the program. 3. Roll Call . The following Council members were present at roll call : Ronald Backes , Keith Meland Thomas Duffy Larry Mitchell Allen Friedman David Strand Lyle Hanks Also present were the City Manager, City Attorney, Director of Public Works, Director of Planning and the Director of Finance. 11111 4. Approval of Minutes It was moved by Councilman Duffy, seconded by Councilman Strand, to approve the minutes of the January 5, 1987 City Council meeting. The motionP assed 6-0-1 (Councilman Backes abstained) . It was moved by Councilman Mitchell , seconded by Councilman Meland, to approve the minutes of the January 12, 1987 study session with the following corrections: Councilman Friedman made a number of corrections in the fourth paragraph of page four to better reflect what he had said. The paragraph should read: Councilman Friedman asked about the impact of future dollars. He said the upgrading of Highway 12 encourages more cars, which detracts from light rail transit, buses and carpooling. Yet, the City is encouraged to support this upgrading and he wondered where the money is going to come from. On page 5, 7th paragraph should read: Councilman Friedman stated the Council should take into consideration the impact on the ‘ City and the financial loss in not being able to develop the site. He added that for mass transit purposes, this may be the best site but he is hard pressed to endorse anything until its impact on the City can be evaluated. Councilman Strand believed that on page two under the Economic Development Authority, the priority assigned was a 3, not a 1 . The motion to approve as amended passed 7-0. 5. Approval of Agenda It was moved by Councilman Strand, seconded by Councilman Meland to approve the consent agenda for January 20, 1987. The motion passed 7-0. -11- City Council meeting minutes January 20, 1987 41111 It was moved by Councilman Backes, seconded by Councilman Duffy, to approve the agenda for January 20, 1987 with the following additions: llb. Codification and setting of an executive session. The motion passed 7-0. PUBLIC HEARINGS 6a. American Fish & Seafood Amendment to zoning ordinance: American Fish & Seafood. Howard Bard, attorney for the applicant, gave a brief background on American Fish and Seafood, explaining that they have outgrown the present location in Golden Valley and wish to relocate to St. Louis Park. He said they had a concern with one section of the special permit, to wit, the phrase ". . .and when the removal and disposal of fish parts from whole fish is limited to a maximum of 15% of the process." They asked that that phrase be deleted because of the difficulty in administering such a requirement . It was their feeling that the volume of food processing is of less importance than the cleanliness and care that is taken during the processing. In answer to a question from Councilman Meland relative to the disposal of fish parts, Mr. Bard said they were collected and stored in sealed barrels, kept inside the facility and picked up by truck once weekly and taken to a rendering plant. 11111 Hal Pierce, architect for the project, displayed plans of the proposed facility. There being no one further wishing to speak, the Mayor declared the hearing closed with the right of Council to thereafter reopen and continue it at a future date. It was moved by Councilman Strand, seconded by Councilman Backes, to delete in the next to last line all words after the word "site" to the end of that line. Councilman Strand said the Planning Commission had had lengthy discussion on this matter and he didn't feel the City needed to regulate both the size of the processing plant and the disposal of parts. He felt the 15% would be an unenforceable restriction and that it would be burdensome for the City to attempt such enforcement. The motion passed 7-0. It was moved by Councilman Strand, seconded by Councilman Friedman, to waive first reading, set second reading for February 2, 1987 and authorize summary publication. The motion passed 7-0. 6b. Special permit: American Fish Special permit to permit filling in the floodplain and the establish- ment of a fish and seafood processing facility at 7201 W. Lake St. -12- City Council meeting minutes January 20, 1987 Mr. Bard addressed several items in the special permit. The applicant is requesting that paragraph two be amended to provide for the outside handling of waste materials. They feel because of various potential problems such as attraction to rodents, they have never allowed storage of waste materials inside a facility. They would request outside storage, properly screened and in conformance with City codes. In paragraph three, relative to the trash compactor, they would have to build an addition onto the building - .an expensive project - in order to enclose the compactor. They were requesting that proper screening be allowed in lieu of completely enclosing it. In paragraph eight, they request compliance review and cleaning and washing of trucks be deleted. They wished to be treated like any other applicant for a special permit, undergo the same inspections and be subject to all the same code requirements. Mayor Hanks asked if other businesses are required to wash their trucks inside. The Director of Planning said this item is. not usually addressed as it rarely comes up. He said that in this case the item came up through discussions with Inspectional Services where there was some concern as to how the trucks would be handled and the chance of flushin fishparts into the sanitary sewer system. Mr. Bard explained there were no loose fish carried in the trucks, that everything was boxed or crated. Councilman Friedman asked how the trucks were washed now. Mr. Bard said that in Golden Valley, the trucks are parked at the rear of the facility and that a washing service comes out weekly to wash the trucks. He added there had never been a complaint from the City of Golden Valley. Councilman Friedman asked for clarification on the storage of trash in other buildings regardless if they were covered by special permit or not, i .e. cardboard boxes and similar materials. The Director of Planning said that in the restaurant category, all trash must be stored inside of the building. Service stations must store trash inside but sometimes it is stored in an enclosed area attached to the building. Councilman Friedman asked why there was a differentiation here as compared to paint stores, grocery stores, etc. The Director `responded that grocery, paint,, hardware stores and the like are not covered by special permit. He said the, revised zoning ordinance would be addressing the matter of trash storage. Councilman Backes said he had no problem with trash being stored outside as long as it was properly screened from view. Mr. Crank, architect for the project, said they do not put trash inside because the container is quite large and is emptied by a large truck lifting it up and dumping the contents. If this container were stored inside, it iiii would be almost impossible to push it outside for collection. -12a- City Council meeting minutes January 20, 1987 Councilman Strand asked if there were other areas in the City with exterior trash compactors being used. Councilman Duffy said the Country Store had 41111 one, but that it was not screened. It was noted this situation also exists behind Miracle Mile. Councilman Strand said that while he was initially opposed to a fish processing facility in the City, his tour of the present facility in Golden Valley had impressed him with its cleanliness and lack of odor. He felt this operation would be an asset to St. Louis Park. He did not see the need for inorganic trash being stored inside nor that trucks needed to be washed inside. He felt if they put the same type of disposal system in at this facility as they presently have in Golden Valley, it would be acceptable. Councilman Duffy suggested paragraph 2 might read: "Prior to issuance of a building permit, the applicant must provide detailed plans for the inside handling and storage of all forms of trash and waste materials generated from the processing of fish" and delete paragraph 3. Councilman Backes pointed out there should be some verbiage relative to the screening of outside storage. , Councilman Strand suggested in paragraph 2 the insertion of the word "organic" before trash and waste materials, and keep paragraph 3 which would state that all organic processed byproducts be stored within the building until disposal . illIl The City Manager, as a means of clarification, asked if Council was moving along the lines of "non-organic materials may be stored outside and that they shall be stored in a screened area" or words to that effect. Councilman Strand said he believed condition 8 relative to a review of the facility in May 1991 be deleted. He believedif the plant ,were in violation of the conditions of the special permit, the City has enforcement authority which is sufficient to handle such a situation. • , It was moved by Councilman Backes, seconded by Councilman Mitchell , to continue the public hearing to February 2, 1987. The motion passed 7-0. REQUESTS, PETITIONS, COMMUNICATIONS 7a. Shorewood Investments Request for condemnation to gain access to landlocked property: Shorewood Investments Mayor Hanks said there was no Council action necessary on this item as it has already been scheduled for a ,Planning Commission agenda. Councilman Mitchell said he was voicing his opposition to this proposal unless there was a clear indication that the- church would favor the project. 11111 1 -13- City Council meeting minutes January 20, 1987 11111 RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES 8a. Temporary on-sale liquor licenses Second reading of an ordinance Ordinance No. 1707-87 permitting temporary on-sale intoxicating liquor licenses It was moved by Councilman Friedman, seconded by Councilman Meland, to waive reading and adopt Ordinance No. 1707-87 entitled "An ordinance amending the St. Louis Park Ordinance Code Related to intoxicating liquor: Adding Section 13-333.101 , temporary on-sale licenses." Councilman Strand said the ordinance did not make sense to him. He believed non-intoxicating liquor should be sufficient for any group wanting to accomplish fund-raising activities, and especially in light of the City's crackdown on DWI. He felt a license issued for three days was excessive. Also, that a licensee does not have to acquire liability insurance made no sense to him. Councilman Friedman said he had no problem restricting a temporary license to one day and no more than two functions yearly. Mayor Hanks asked for how many days can a non-intoxicating liquor license be issued. The, City Attorney responded his recollection was that it was for a day or two 11111 Councilman Friedman said he had no problem with the number of %or which a license be issued - a temporary license for one day and no more than twice yearly was certainly acceptable. He said it was never intended to be a function for outsiders or for fund-raising purposes. He said it was his intent licenses be issued to religious organizations wanting to hold a private affair. He said he was amenable to the City requiring more insurance than the State mandates. He did feel it was important to take out of jeopardy organizations which have been holding affairs serving liquor which is currently illegal , albeit unbeknownst to them. Councilman Strand said he also had a problem with enforcement. He felt suspension or revocation of a temporary license, for all practical purposes, was simply not viable. He felt a privilege was being granted to a group of persons and the City seemingly has no control over the privilege once it is granted. Councilman Friedman asked if it would be within the City' s jurisdiction to withhold granting of a license in the future should a violation occur or invoke restrictions of that nature. The City Attorney responded civil penalties are not currently provided for under City ordinances but there was provision for monetary penalties. Extending this to holders of temporary licenses would be at the discretion of the City Council . He felt restrictions on subsequent requests could be imposed. In essence, two remedies are available: no further licenses because of prior IL violations and civil penalties. A question that would arise relating to no further licenses would be one of a hearing right, i .e. an alleged violation without adjudication of that violation may present a situation wherein an applicant says I 've only been charged with aviolation, it hasn't been proven. -14- City Council meeting minutes January 20, 1987 Councimam `r :edman said he'd be in favor of some type of rebuke for a first violation and asked if that would require a hearing. 41111_ The City Attorney replied that absent such adjudication, he wasn't certain a license could be withheld. , Councilman Strand said the City Council could assess a penalty, but it would be interesting to see monetary penalties assessed against a non-profit organiza- tion. He didn't think this avenue would ever be a viable remedy. Councilman Backes asked if a social function could take place in a social hall , for example, in which setups are served and a person brings their own bottle. He asked if that type of function required a license. The City Attorney said you'd have to look at such things as is admission charged, is such a function open to the public, issues which might take it outside of a private function. This is a fact question depending on the nature of the function, the size, conditions of entry, etc. The motion to adopt the ordinance passed 5-2 (Councilman Strand, Mayor Hanks opposed) . Councilman Strand asked if that vote was for the amendment (restricting licenses to one day and maximum twice yearly) . Mayor Hanks said he thought it was the motion to adopt the ordinance. He11111 said if Council wanted to vote on the amendment, that could be done. The amendment to the ordinance passed 7-0. The motion to waive reading and adopt the amended ordinance passed 4-3 (Council- men Backes and Strand, Mayor Hanks opposed) . 8b. Tax forfeited property Resolution 87-5 Tax forfeited property at 3640 Independence Ave. so. Councilman Mitchell said that at one time, there was declared a public need for this land. Now there is no public need. He ' asked what changed that. Councilman Meland said that at the time Amhurst was developed, that land designated for public need was for streets, etc. No additional land was needed for parks and so forth. It was moved by Councilman Meland, seconded by Councilman Duffy, to waive:- reading aiverreading and adopt Resolution 87-5 entitled "Resolution approving designation of nonconservation land shown on classification list "688" by Board of County Commissioners of Hennepin County." The motion passed 7-0. -15- City Council meeting minutes January 20, 1987 8c. Noise Abatement Council Metropolitan Airport Noise Abatement Resolution 87-6 Council It was moved by Councilman Strand, seconded by Councilman Meland, to waive reading and adopt Resolution 87-6 entitled "Resolution requesting formal representation and full voting privileges on the Metropolitan Aircraft Sound Abatement Council (MASAC)" to advertise for persons interested in serving of the MASAC and to schedule an interview with Lenore Brill for Feb. 2, 1987. The motion passed 7-0. REPORTS FROM OFFICERS, BOARDS, COMMITTEES 9a. South Oak Pond expansion Consultant selection: South Oak Pond expansion It_ was moved by Councilman Meland, seconded by Councilman Duffy, to extend the contract with STS Consultants, Inc. from $3,000 to $9,200 and authorize ERT, Inc. to complete water analysis at a cost of $1 ,100 and Interpoll Laboratory to complete sediment analysis at a cost of $1 ,200. Councilman Friedman, reading from staff ' s report, "Staff anticipates an 11111 increase in fees to be ' somewhat' offset by a decrease in fees." He asked what "somewhat" meant. The Director of Public Works said the anticipated increase was approximately $4,300 which should offset design costs that are incurred by the OSM contract, and the use of the word "somewhat" was used as a proviso that you can't expect a dollar-for-dollar exchange. The motion passed 7-0. 9b. PER: Project 87-26 Street lighting, W. 252 St. east of Hwy. 100 to W. 26th St. It was moved by Councilman Strand, seconded by Councilman Meland, to approve the preliminary engineering report for Project 87-26 and authorize the project to be completed at an estimated cost of $25,870. Councilman Friedman asked how this project was to be assessed. The City Manager responded there was no assessment because this project was part of the agreement in exchange for the two property owners dedicating the land at no cost to the city. The motion passed 7-0. 9c. PER: Project 87-33 Reconditioning of wells 13 and 14 It was moved by Councilman Duffy, seconded by Councilman Meland, to accept the preliminary engineering report for Project 87-33 for the reconditioning of wells 13 and 14 and authorize development of specifications and receipt of bids. -16- City Council meeting minutes January 20, 1987 41111 The motion passed 7-0. 9d. Bond reduction: Aspenwood Councilman Mitchell asked what was the size of the remaining lot. Staff was not able to provide the actual dimensions, but commented it was quite an odd-shaped lot. However, it is a buildable lot. Councilman Friedman said that a resident of the immediate area had reported there was a "For Sale" sign on the lot. Mr. Thiel , who happened to be attending the meeting on another matter, is a representative of the developer. He said that to the best of his knowledge that lot was to be developed along with the rest of the development. The Planning Director commented that perhaps the lot had not been built upon because of its rather odd shape. Councilman Mitchell was- concerned because at the outset this development was controversial . Now with one lot left undeveloped, he was concerned the City Council was taking the position the lot should be developed, therefore forcing its development, perhaps with a structure more incompatible with the surrounding neighborhood. Mr. Thiel offered to investigate the situation and secure a letter- from the developer explaining why ,the lot has not been developed and what the 41111 , intent is. , It was moved by Councilman Mitchell , seconded by Councilman Friedman, to defer the item to Feb. 2, 1987. The motion passed 7-0. 9e. Agency agreement: 1-394 It was moved by Councilman Meland, Resolution 87-7 seconded by Councilman Duffy, to waive reading and adopt Resolution 87-7 entitled "Resolution authorizing execution of agency and relocation Agreement No. 63788R with Minnesota Department of Transportation to provide 1 for improvements related to the construction of I-394." The motion passed 7-0. 9f. Sale of City-owned homes Selection of realtor to sell City houses Councilman Friedman excused himself from the discussion explaining that since he sells residential real estate, he didn't think it proper to be involved in the discussion especially since someone from his office was under consideration. It was moved by Councilman Strand to set up interviews with the four realtors 11111 as recommended in staff's report. Councilman Strand said he would like to recommend a committee of the Council interview the realtors as he felt quite inadequate to ask relevant questions. -17- City Council meeting minutes January 20, 1987 Councilman Backes said he was a bit concerned about Council moving into areas that previouslywere a function of staff. He said he was uncomfortable with Council interviewing engineers, architects, soil specialists and other types of professionals being considered for City projects. He said he would oppose this item and felt Council consideration could potentially delay getting those homes on the market. Councilman Mitchell felt there was no great rush to get this project underway immediately as interest rates continue to fall . He felt Council screening these four candidates was no different from their hearing the presentations from the developers selected by the Housing and Redevelopment Authority for the Excelsior Blvd. redevelopment project. He felt it was important to proceed with interviews because a number of questions were not being addressed which he felt were important. It was determined that two interviews would be conducted on January 26 and two on February 2. Councilman Duffy said that after going over staff's report, he was quite confident the finalists staff had selected were all qualified, and he felt the most qualified to make the final selection were the people who had conducted the preliminary interviews. He said he would be very comfortable authorizing staff to select one realtor and then move forward on the project. The motion failed 3-3 (Councilman Backes, Duffy, Meland opposed) . Councilman Meland said he would change his vote to yea as he felt the project should get moving forward. Upon Councilman Meland' s reversal , the motion passed 4-2 (Councilmen Backes, Duffy opposed) . 9g. Single family bond program It was moved by Councilman Backes, seconded by Councilman Duffy, to receive the report . for filing. The motion passed 7-0. 9h. 1987 bond sale Proposed 1987 bond sale, employment of approving opinion attorney and set bond rating agencies' meeting. It was moved by Councilman Meland, seconded by Councilman Duffy, to direct staff to (1 ) proceed with preparations for a March 1987 variable rate bond sale; (2) schedule rating agencies' meetings; and (3) retain Holmes and Graven to render the required legal opinions. The motion passed 7-0. , -18- City Council meeting minutes January 20, 1987 9i . Planning Commission minutes The minutes were ordered filed by consent. 41111 UNFINISHED BUSINESS 10a. Boards and Commissions Appointments to the Planning Commission and Parks and Recreation Commission were deferred to February 2, 1987. House Doctor Program Councilman Friedman asked - how long the board terms would be. The City Manager responded they would serve until the end of '1987. Councilman Friedman felt he didn't have enough information about the board, what it does or even what this program is all about. The City Manager said he would provide Council with a memo previously submitted to them which explained the House Doctor program. Councilman Strand asked if the Council had ever thought about putting - together an appointment committee of the Council , say three members, who are not serving on the Planning Commission or other commission which had many meetings. This committee would conduct interviews such as the House Doctor program, any other members of Council always welcome to join in. He felt that the review process might be expedited to a certain extent. ill 1 He also felt it might accommodate the Council members' busy schedule and give at least a couple of members of Council a chance to meet people before they are appointed. Mayor Hanks said a lot of good people had been interviewed for the two Parks and Recreation openings and he was sure there were many fine individuals interviewed for the one Planning Commission opening. He suggested a process whereby when an opening occurred, those people previously interviewed could be contacted to elicit their interest in being considered for openings that might occur. No action was taken on these suggestions, the Mayor requesting that Council give them some thought. 10b. Property adjoining Amhurst Len Thiel , 2910 Flag Ave. , representing Centurion, alluded to the maps before Council showing the property in question and provided a brief background. Councilman Strand asked why the developer would take in settlement of the County' s condemnation land with no access when there was another parcel nearby with access. Mr. Thiel said it was thought one could come off the ramp and get access11111 alongside the property. It turned out that could not be done. -19- City Council meeting minutes January 20, 1987 11111 Councilman Mitchell asked if there were anything in writing to show that the land was originally thought to be developable. Mr. Thiel said the engineers had plans developed. Councilman Backes asked Mr. Thiel if Minnetonka would grant access from the property to the public street system in Minnetonka through Sandra and Ann Lanes as well as provide utilities. Mr. Thiel said he had not discussed this with the whole Council , but that the Council member in that area was in favor of the proposal . Also, the City Manager, City Planner and various members of the Minnetonka staff were in favor of the proposal . Councilman Duffy asked if Council had not asked staff to work with the developer and the City of Minnetonka to see what they could come up with, and that Council had rejected that proposal . Councilman Mitchell asked for clarification. He said it appears there is a landlocked situation with lots that are buildable, but without access to it, or there might be access from another community thereby complicating the situation. He asked if Mr. Thiel had not previously been before Council , with a somewhat similar situation on Frederick Ave. Mr. Thiel responded that was true, but in that case, the watershed district came into play preventing that development. 1110 Councilman Mitchell felt there were probably a number of beautiful lots in the City which would make for beautiful locations, but simply are not workable. He could not see Council spending a whole lot of time trying to make every lot workable. He said it seemed like a developer was coming to the Council asking it to solve a problem it didn't create. Mr. Thiel said all he was asking for was that the City arrive at an agreement with Minnetonka - an agreement Minnetonka is willing to enter into. He said if access can be secured from Minnetonka, he didn't understand the City's reluctance to allow that. Councilman Friedman asked if taxes were currently derived from the property, and the City Manager said yes, but it was minimal . Councilman Friedman asked if it was correct that the City was going to provide public services - fire and police - and the access was going to come from Minnetonka. The City Manager said public services were going to be contracted with Minnetonka in exchange for the City maintaining the park on Ford Road which the City currently maintains. Councilman Friedman asked why the City wants to keep this piece of property if it doesn't intend to do anything with it. 1110 Mayor Hanks said if it is true the land could sit there as open space and never be developed, that was one thing. When it was found there was no access via the service road, there was a request to annex it to Minnetonka. He didn' t see any reason why the City should give property to Minnetonka that conceivably could hold a couple of homes worth $100,000 or more, the taxes therefrom coming to St. Louis Park. -20- City Council meeting minutes - January 20, 1987 ° r Councilman Friedman said he'd like to see the matter settled equitably - for all the residents of both cities and the developer. He recollected there were some legal problems relative to having another municipality provide public services. He felt there was no benefit to the resident of St. Louis Park by not doing anything about the property and asked what was the benefit of keeping the property and not having it developed. Councilman Strand said that since this matter had been voted on before, it was his opinion this report should be accepted for filing or if someone is interested in reversing the earlier decision, they should bring up a new motion. A question arose as to whether the matter had been tabled, in which case it should not now be under discussion, or whether it had been deferred. Councilman Backes said Council needs to see a map of the preliminary plat, the agreement that was developed and the minutes of the Council and Planning Commission minutes to review what the concerns were and have staff discuss this with Minnetonka. In other words, prepare a packet of all background information. Councilman Meland suggested staff provide copies of the report regarding the annexation and the report on allowing public services to come from Minnetonka, bring that information back to Council and then for Council to decide if they want to remove the item from the table. He asked that that be provided for the Feb. 2, 1987 meeting. 0111 The October 20, 1986 Council minutes were provided to the City Attorney which showed a motion to approve the proposal was rejected on a 5-1 vote. It was moved by Councilman Meland, seconded by Councilman Backes, to place the item on the Feb. 2 agenda, and provide Council a packet with all previous discussions and background information. The motion passed 5-2 (Councilmen Mitchell , Strand opposed) . NEW BUSINESS lla. Bid tab: Cab/chassis truck It was moved by Councilman Duffy, seconded by Councilman Meland, to authorize execution of a contract with Bill Boyer Ford, Inc. in an amount not to exceed $35,986.12 for the purchase of one Ford L8000 cab/chassis truck. The motion passed 7-0. llb. Recodification Councilman Meland believed there was a requirement by either State law or Charter that requires that all ordinances be recodified every 10 years. He remembered in the past that the City did get into some difficulty because recodification had not been done in some 20 years. -21- City Council meeting minutes January 20, 1987 11,1 It was moved by Councilman Meland to ask staff to find out whether or not the recodification is necessary at this time to make sure it is not overdue. It was determined it was not necessary for this request to be in the form of a formal motion. MISCELLANEOUS 12a. Claims Betsy Richardson, 3152 Hampshire, SLP Robert Dewall , Somerset, WI By consent,' the claims were referred to the City Clerk and City Attorney. 12b. Communications from the Mayor None. 12c. Communications from City Manager The City Manager reminded Council about the joint Council/ School Board/PAC meeting on Monday, Feb. 2 at 6: 16 p.m. There was discussion about the governance seminar, one Council member indicating he would not be available on the proposed dates in May. The 110 City Manager will reschedule with Mr. Carver. CLAIMS, APPROPRIATIONS, CONTRACT PAYMENTS 13a. Verified claims It was moved by Councilman Duffy, seconded by Councilman Meland, that the list of verified claims prepared by the` Director of Finance dated January 20, 1987 in the amount of $470,487.82 for vendor claims and $12,451 .97 for payroll claims be approved and that the City Manager and City Treasurer be authorized to issue checks in the appropriate amounts. , The motion passed 7-0. 14. Adjournment It was moved by Councilman Duffy, seconded by Councilman Friedman to adjourn the meeting at 10:00 p.m. ‘() V-(1-4.1------ L e Hanks, Mayor Ili/ Pat it Recording cretary -22-